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Old 07-26-2014, 09:17 AM   #1
 
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Sailfin Molly with a crown?!

My Sailfin Gold Dust balloon-belly male seems to have developed something on his head just in front of the fin. He is orange, and this is orange like it belongs to him, but it is new. It looks like orange bumps on his head -- do they grow anything as adults that looks like a crown?? He seems to have a hat on. I have seen goldfish with bumps on their heads, but not any Mollies. Have you seen this, or I will post a picture? He seems normal, but what can this be? (sorry the pix is out of focus)

Now a question: Do you know if the ghost shrimp (or ANY shrimp) can live in the brackish water that is good for Mollies? I would love to have a few shrimp, but didn't see anything about the water condition for them. They can stand variations in temperature and pH, but don't know about the salt in the water.
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Old 07-27-2014, 08:04 AM   #2
 
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Question Male Molly's headpiece has grown...

The "moles" on the head of the male molly have extended somewhat and are very noticeable. Sylverclaws says she has seen these before, and it could be a fungal infection -- possibly. Should I treat him for that, or let it go on for a few days? I would say he has had this for several days that I have noticed.

I have Furan for bacterial/fungal infections, but not sure if that is the right thing. The growth is his orange color, like a hat, and he seems to be fine still. But I have very little experience with infections, and want to stop it before it envelops him. Any one have any ideas? I don't want to lose him...
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Old 07-27-2014, 09:01 AM   #3
 
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Not sure about the fish...
Your shrimp question, yes. It is called the Opae ula. I don't remember what, but these shrimp are fascinating to scientists for some reason. :p Look them up! You'd have to order online as I highly doubt any store would carry them.
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Old 07-27-2014, 10:39 AM   #4
 
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Opae ula! Amazing red shrimp -- ya gotta see this

I have been reading about the red Hawaiian shrimp, Opae ula. What a fantastic shrimp, can live to be 20 yrs. old, doesn't need to have its water changed, and doesn't need much space to live in. And likes brackish water, too. This is MY shrimp, I will look to see where I can get some of them. Has anyone else enjoyed these, please let me know what you think!

"The Hawaiian Red Shrimp is one of the most amazing creatures on our planet. It is a shrimp of the extremes. Endemic to the anchialine ponds (natural pools in volcanic rock with brackish water and underground connection to the ocean) on the Hawaiian Islands, it had to develop a host of abilities to survive in very hostile environments and circumstances. Hence, this shrimp became a "Supershrimp" of sorts over its millions of years of evolution. The Opae ula (as this shrimp is called in Hawaii) can take temperature extremes (high 30s to low 90s Fahrenheit), salinity extremes (from almost fresh water to more than full strength saltwater), environmental extremes (lack of food for months or years, very low oxygen levels), manages to live for more than 20 years if given the right conditions!"

I will only try to purchase from the company that is known for having them to sell to hobbyists, not going to indulge the other people who try to steal them from Hawaii, etc. Thank you to Olympia for mentioning it to me.
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Old 07-27-2014, 12:57 PM   #5
 
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Yep! I knew the name in my head and that they were cool for some reason, so there you go. :) Good luck in finding them. If you can breed them I'm sure people on the forum would purchase them from you. ;)
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:19 PM   #6
 
I know I would!
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:51 PM   #7
 
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I would treat him with salt or a nice antibacterial since it also looks like he may have fin rot. Some get a dark circle around the tail as natural markings(I've only seen this with certain kinds of guppies-guppy/endlers crosses though, but that doesn't mean it wont happen on mollies, but since he's an orange one, it's likely fin rot). Treat for that and it may clear up the issues on his head, it does look like either a rapidly moving bone deformity, unlikely for adults, or a fungal infection or cysts under the skin, and a large one incoming at that. Starts out with big nasty bumps, eventually it'll bloom into fuzz.
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:00 PM   #8
 
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No, the black rim on tail has been there all along

I don't think the black on his tail is anything to worry about because he has had that all along, since I got him 8 months ago. His parents may have included a Harlequin because there is a tiny bit on his sailfin, too. But I am worried about his "moles" which are more noticeable than ever -- they are still bumps on him that look like solid mass. He doesn't yet act oddly, and seems to want to play. I have put him in the QT tank with the other sailfin male (from the other community tank) who is definitely suffering from bacterial or fungal infection. Treating them both with Furan, and I did put some Epsom Salts in there yesterday.

This poor male is broken out all over with the fungal on his sides, he looks like a sponge with all the mess. And he has a very reduced level of energy, I would too, if I had all that stuff on my sides. I started treating him with Furan, and added Kanaplex a little while ago. This side infection just began to show this morning, before that he was a little lethargic, but still chasing the women. I am worried that he might not recover from this, it seems so encompassing. Before this, the only other infection was on the Harlequin female>male(?) who is fine now and back in the community tank. I am not knowing what else to do -- should I add more salt to his tank, although I have him in a brackish tank to start with? He doesn't look good. Should I increase the heat, although it is around 80F now?

Meanwhile, I have setup the catfish tank and transferred most of them into it, except for one baby and the adult male. They are very hard to catch. The female who laid most of the eggs as far as I could tell, is in the FW tank, and hasn't recovered from her "faint" when I moved her from brackish to FW. I hope she will be OK, as she is my Big Momma for the babies. She has 19 babies now that are in there with her, bet she has no idea they are hers. Do catfish have any knowledge of the babies who hatch out from their eggs LOL?
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:15 PM   #9
 
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You have to be very careful when moving them to different water, they need to be very slowly acclimated to it.

As for your boy, could even be lymphocystis if it's all over.

Unfortunately balloon belly mollies often have extra issues that can sometimes be hard to treat since they're so inbred and deformed for that belly.

You can turn the heat up to 85F if you want, heat will retard the growth of fungal infections and help you get them treated. Do it slowly, about two-three degrees a day(one in the morning, one in the evening...sometimes you can do it faster, but you want as little extra stress on him as possible). Make sure the water is nice and clean, but don't over-do it and shock the system of him and the tank. He's already in brackish water, yes? Salt should help with heat. Add a little stress coat for him too, see if you can't boost his slime coat a bit.


Unfortunately, and I hate to say this, especially since you try so hard for your fish, the out-look isn't good when they're that bad. All you can do is try. And also, I suggest you move out the other fish, or put him into a QT tank with same water parameters. Fungal infections can spread to other fish. It'd probably be easier to move them instead of him unless you can snag him in a jar so he doesn't feel the move as much, also why parameters in a QT tank need to be exact.
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Old 07-28-2014, 07:24 PM   #10
 
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It is a QT tank -- with another QT container inside

Because I was worried about the fungal infection spreading, I have that male in a smaller container (inside a 10G tank) to keep him separate. I really should put him in a separate tank, but don't have one set up yet. This way he has the heat, tank is cycled, and I can put a bubbler with him. My older filter will be setup tomorrow for him.

I don't think he will make it, but he is a good Dad to many babies. He is Gold Dust (Orange) Sailfin, normal shape, and has many favored females in his harem. I thought at first he was just tired, from too much chasing around, until I noticed the stuff on his sides. He could have one of those bacterial infections, which is more prevalent than a fungal infection, so I am trying to treat that as the cause. His eyes don't look good either. If he survives, I will whoop for joy. I am not experienced with diseases, so this is a big trial for me. I have been careful about the parameters, trying to keep it the same except for the medication.

The balloon male with the bumps seems fine, but he is in the QT tank anyway because I am treating him with Furan. I hope this will work on those bumps, or at least stop them from progressing. He certainly is into his looks, and got those bubulous things on this head to make himself stand out!

When I moved the Cory cats, all of them have done well, and are eating and swooping around. Big Momma was doing her tribulation-thing, acting like she was sorely troubled, but she was moving whenever a kid nudged her. She is fine now, and eating and checking out those kiddies. I think she likes seeing them, even if she doesn't know she did it. There are four adults, at least two females and one male, but haven't ever figured out the other one as male or female. It is rounded like a female, but seems to hang around the other male like its friend. Who knows with cats, it is somewhat difficult to gender them.
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