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MY fish is bloated and PH High Help!
Old 07-24-2009, 03:54 AM   #1
 
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I have a 35litre tank with 3 platy's and 5 neon tetras i just added prime to the tank as the ammonia levels are high and the aqurium guy told me to add KH powder to the aqurium i have done this and my ph is now higher than 7.6 my neons are bloated i don't know why the ph is so high????? please help me asap?
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Old 07-24-2009, 03:58 AM   #2
 
Ooh, dear. Uhm.... -waits for someone to chime in- you should do a very large water change in my opinion. What is your tap ph?
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Old 07-24-2009, 04:03 AM   #3
 
my tap water ph is 7.0
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Old 07-24-2009, 05:35 AM   #4
 
Do a large water change with the water purifier in it to remove chlorine and chloramine. Don't put any powder in. I would do a 50-75% change. Do you know how many gallons the tank is? I don't know liters. /:
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:00 PM   #5
 
I agree, do a 40% water change
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:12 PM   #6
 
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If you have high ammonia levels you need to get them down. That could take several 50% water changes in a row to accomplish depending on how bad the ammonia is. The Prime is fine for treating the new water but is not a substitute for a wate change. The pH in your tank is high because you added the KH improver. KH is a function of the carbonate levels in your water and most carbonates that would come in a powder are going to raise your pH. The most common KH carbonate additive for a tank is sodium bicarbonate which is baking soda. The bicarb would also be a much cheaper way to buy it than something with a fish picture on the package. It takes looking after fish for a while before you figure out that most chemicals that we add to help with something are a bad idea and a large water change is often a much better option.

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Old 07-25-2009, 07:33 PM   #7
 
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If you have high ammonia levels you need to get them down. That could take several 50% water changes in a row to accomplish depending on how bad the ammonia is. The Prime is fine for treating the new water but is not a substitute for a wate change. The pH in your tank is high because you added the KH improver. KH is a function of the carbonate levels in your water and most carbonates that would come in a powder are going to raise your pH. The most common KH carbonate additive for a tank is sodium bicarbonate which is baking soda. The bicarb would also be a much cheaper way to buy it than something with a fish picture on the package. It takes looking after fish for a while before you figure out that most chemicals that we add to help with something are a bad idea and a large water change is often a much better option.
Agreed. Out of curiosity, what were you trying to accomplish by adding a buffer to raise KH? Did you test for general hardness and determine that it needed to be increased?
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:16 PM   #8
 
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It sounded to me like the LFS sold her that stuff because she had high ammonia levels, Pasfur. It was probably the first thing the local fish guy spotted on the shelf when he turned around after hearing the story and decided it wouldn't do much harm but would give him a nice profit. I am not ready to believe that any LFS owner would believe that it would actually do something useful for an ammonia problem. Actually, raising pH on a tank with ammonia makes the ammonia more toxic. If you want to push around pH to help with ammonia, drop the pH and let the ammonia convert to the less toxic ammonium form.
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Old 08-03-2009, 07:27 AM   #9
 
thanks guys yes i added kh powder and prime as he told me to but i think i now why my tank isnt cycling as my filter is desinged for a 25ltr tank and mine is 35litres so i have ordered a new one and ill see how i go i have had 3 fish die so far and they dissapeared think he others ate them. i think adding that stuff has made i so much worse i have tried adding ph down and doing 50% water changes but ph will not come down has even a litlle not sure what to do its killing off my fish.???
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:03 PM   #10
 
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If you are still trying to get the cycle accomplished, it is not the pH that is killing your fish, it is the ammonia. Daily large water changes can make the fish survive the cycle but they need to be daily and large. I found out yesterday that I had a nitrite problem because one of my filter clones didn't take. That tank got 2 water changes in a row of 80% each. Today I did another 80% change and the fish are looking much better than when I started treating them. I took the water in my 10 gallon tank down so low the fish were having trouble swimming above the gravel for all 3 of those water changes. It took two 5 gallon buckets of water to refill the tank but the buckets were not quite full so I am guessing I only changed 8 gallons each time.
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