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Male to female ratio in a 10 gal?
Old 08-23-2012, 09:50 AM   #21
 
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Jessica, just out of curiosity - what readings did your tests show?
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:14 PM   #22
 
I returned mark today and got a matching sunrise guppy named Henry for George. Im planning on getting 2 more next week or so. they seem to be doing fine. Henry was just in one area right on top of the gravel and I got worried but George swam by and he got up. Also yesterday I checked the water with a 5 in 1 test strip and everything was in range according to the chart on the side except the hardness was at 150. Is that bad?
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:44 PM   #23
 
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The test strips are notoriously inaccurate, so I honestly wouldn't trust that reading - and I'm not sure *exactly* what they're reading as far as 'hardness' either. There is Ph, Gh, and Kh that all come into play here. An example is a friend of mine who was using the API test STRIPS for quite some time and stocked her tank under the assumption that her water was very much on the hard side (she was getting readings close to, but not as high as, yours). When she finally got the liquid testing kit by API, she found to her surprise that her water was actually very soft! I again highly recommend that your next purchase be the Master Freshwater Testkit. It will last you for a very long time, and can't be beat for accuracy.

Glad to hear George is alright, and I hope Henry settles in well - and that they play nice together! Keep us posted on how things go over there! Best of luck. . .
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:24 AM   #24
 
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The test strips are notoriously inaccurate, so I honestly wouldn't trust that reading - and I'm not sure *exactly* what they're reading as far as 'hardness' either. There is Ph, Gh, and Kh that all come into play here. An example is a friend of mine who was using the API test STRIPS for quite some time and stocked her tank under the assumption that her water was very much on the hard side (she was getting readings close to, but not as high as, yours). When she finally got the liquid testing kit by API, she found to her surprise that her water was actually very soft! I again highly recommend that your next purchase be the Master Freshwater Testkit. It will last you for a very long time, and can't be beat for accuracy.

Glad to hear George is alright, and I hope Henry settles in well - and that they play nice together! Keep us posted on how things go over there! Best of luck. . .
George and Henry are doing fine so far. I also bought a decor piece to add more hiding spots. And I was looking at the master test kit today and was thinking of going bak another time to get it anyways. Thanks for the help :D
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:11 AM   #25
 
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Bad idea, all the way around in my view.
Firstly,, it send's the wrong message to those who I would hope would think longterm with regard's to the fish they have chosen and make preparation's for fry if this is what they wish.
Secondly,, Off loading fry as feeder fish is risky for the person receiving them who can only rely on your word that the fish are healthy.
Let's say they are indeed healthy, and are harboring no parasites or bacterial pathogen's which could be passed on to otherwise healthy fish.
If the transport and acclimation to possibly different water chemistry goes south,,then the feeder's become sickly, and these feeder's may result in the fish eating them,,becoming sick.
And lastly,,many fish refuse more nutritional prepared food's once feeder fish make the menu.
Just my two cent's.
Best to prepare ,,and not find yourself with too many fishes,too few tank's.
Well you should tell that to to person who wants the feeders, as it is their responsibility to quarantine and make sure they are not feeding sick fish. Refusing to eat prepared foods??? Thats NOT the OPs problem, and if the person is LOOKING for feeders than i would not be concerned about what else rheir fish eat. Water chemistry? Again, NOT the OPs responsibility. They ought to be local, and moreover, they ought to be able to acclimate the fish. I can't believe that you are laying all this at the foot of the OP.
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Old 08-25-2012, 03:42 PM   #26
 
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If you do keep males and females, it would be better for the eventual recipients of your fry, to keep only one type. That way you could be surer (not 100% sure, just surer) they were getting, say, cobra guppies or red deltas, as opposed to cross bred fish that may or may not be as attractive as their parents.

My two cents!
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Old 08-27-2012, 05:13 AM   #27
 
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Well you should tell that to to person who wants the feeders, as it is their responsibility to quarantine and make sure they are not feeding sick fish. Refusing to eat prepared foods??? Thats NOT the OPs problem, and if the person is LOOKING for feeders than i would not be concerned about what else rheir fish eat. Water chemistry? Again, NOT the OPs responsibility. They ought to be local, and moreover, they ought to be able to acclimate the fish. I can't believe that you are laying all this at the foot of the OP.

Everything,, with regard's to the fishes chosen up to and including care, or outlet for fry, IS the responsibility of the person who is purchasing ,raising,the fishes.
My attempt was to point out the downside(your suggestion) to offering feeder's in general ,and which many/most expierienced hobbyist's agree.
While the downside with regard's to feeder's is perhap's not the OP's problem,, there is big potential for problem's with the suggestion you offered regarding the feeder's and which I felt/feel,needed to be made clear.
Will stand by the fact's that .

Many types of fishes (feeder's and other's) are rich in Thiaminase which is actually detrimental to health of fishes when offered exclusively,or in excess (Reduces fishes ability to obtain vitamin's needed for health)
Feeder's are often sickly,(especially store bought) unless raised on high quality food's, and the feeding of sick feeder's is common problem which often result's in disease introduced to otherwise healthy tank's.
Feeder's contain little in the way of nutrition compared to prepared food's on the market today, so ...feeder's are not necessary for healthy fish.(predatory or otherwise)
Your suggestion for dealing with the hundred's of fry likely to appear,,was /is ill advised by many/most.
Best to be prepared for fry, or take measures to prevent them.
May not be popular with many,,but is the truth.

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Old 08-27-2012, 06:46 AM   #28
 
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That's all well and good, but doesn't change the fact that there is no shortage of people who feed live foods. Most/many things when taken to an extreme are bad - thats no surprise. If the OP decides to go that route, maybe they will tell them that it is ill advised by many/most (though it depends on the forum IME). Think they will care? Considering how defensive many people get when they are told they are keeping their fish "wrong," I think they might get annoyed. I think those of us that spend time on forums forget that we are the exception, not the rule. For many/most, it is still just a hobby.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:16 AM   #29
 
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That's all well and good, but doesn't change the fact that there is no shortage of people who feed live foods. Most/many things when taken to an extreme are bad - thats no surprise. If the OP decides to go that route, maybe they will tell them that it is ill advised by many/most (though it depends on the forum IME). Think they will care? Considering how defensive many people get when they are told they are keeping their fish "wrong," I think they might get annoyed. I think those of us that spend time on forums forget that we are the exception, not the rule. For many/most, it is still just a hobby.
Yes ,I agree,, many people become defensive when they are offered the possibility that they have combined the wrong species of fish (for various reason's), are providing poor enviornment,poor maint, poor diet,etc, and they often do what best suit's them with few exception's.
The result's are fairly predictable, and is perhap's one of the reason's why it is estimated that few new hobbyist's remain in the hobby past a year,maybe two at the outside.(frequently sickly fish)
Does not I feel, negate the need for the truth.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:30 AM   #30
 
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Truth... I don't feed live foods for the reasons you outlined, but I don't feel that there is one true way to keep fish, so I'm not going to take issue with anyone that does. We all got into keeping fish for different reasons, but we have one commonality - enjoyment. We all enjoy different aspects of the hobby. Yes, that means different things for the fish involved.
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