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post #11 of 37 Old 10-19-2010, 05:05 PM Thread Starter
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well i have fry and since i got the male his blue has become brighter so hopefully he will try when these fry are larger :):):).....and my opinion is that unless there from the wild then its quite possably that they have been cross bred down the line at sum point :):):)

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post #12 of 37 Old 10-19-2010, 05:34 PM
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You can't really call endlers a guppy variety... Science has finally proven that they are a seperate species...

It is true however, that most of the endlers you get had a great great grandaddy guppy.

One way to tell is that the endler females are more 'gold' than silver, and the scales are easier to see... Even so, probably a hybrid.

I just got my endlers too... :P


Also, who's to say wild-caught endlers are pure? They're both from central america..

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post #13 of 37 Old 10-19-2010, 05:46 PM Thread Starter
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that very true and my females are almost an olive green/silver colour :):):)
my male look a lot like the wild type, almost identical except the red in MY males tails is a bit longer down the tail fin than in "wild type" endlers :):):)

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post #14 of 37 Old 10-19-2010, 05:52 PM
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Also, who's to say wild-caught endlers are pure? They're both from central america..
Very true, Endlers and Guppies both co-exist in the same waters so it's certainly a possibility, hybridisation happens in the wild all the time, it's a great accelerator of evolution.
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post #15 of 37 Old 10-19-2010, 06:09 PM Thread Starter
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yh that is true alwell, you never know in 100 year or more the could be a new species all together :):):)

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post #16 of 37 Old 10-19-2010, 06:34 PM
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Oops, sorry, should just clarify that Endlers are believed to now be extinct in the wild. I should have said co-existed (past-tense).

Many people are keeping them as pure as they possibly can in captivity though so hopefully one day they will be re-introduced.
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post #17 of 37 Old 10-19-2010, 09:14 PM
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Let's get right back to the facts instead of the miscellaneous misconceptions Marginatus. Endlers are not extinct in the wild. The site where they were originally found in the Laguna de Los Patos has significantly degraded since they were first discovered and the local population in that particular location may have been lost, but nearby creeks and streams have been found to be teeming with endlers. The species maintenance program originated by the endler association in the US and also carried on by people in many other locations are keeping fish derived completely from wild endlers. I am a registered breeder of wild type endlers myself, which we call class N fish. Almost anything you find in a fish shop is a cross between endlers and guppies, because breeders found they could sell far more fish by crossing them than by maintaining a pure population of endlers. Unfortunately, pet shops and the breeders of these hybrids have chosen to call them endlers instead of calling them hybrids, which confuses not only you but lots of other people. There are no guppies in my population. Guppies are not even allowed in the same room in the house as my endlers. I have a simple guppy tank in another part of my house for my wife, who likes her guppies, but they are not allowed in my fish room. It is simply too easy to accidentally move a fry from one tank to another when it is hitchhiking on a net.
My 45 gallon tank holding one of my endler colonies.


The 29 gallon tank that houses another endler breeding colony


By keeping 2 separate populations breeding in my tanks, if something happens to one, such as a disease getting into the tank, the other is there to carry on.
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post #18 of 37 Old 10-20-2010, 03:23 AM Thread Starter
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i hope 1 day my tank is as full as your :D and thats for the info, there arnt meny good websites about endlers but that info is ery good :):):)

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post #19 of 37 Old 10-20-2010, 08:13 AM
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Thanks for clearing that up oldman47, I've obviously been reading incorrect articles.

One question I have is how do you maintain genetic diversity?

Wild Endlers show alot of variation, are you able to see that in your Fish?
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post #20 of 37 Old 10-20-2010, 08:35 AM
yeah nice purchase =)

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