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Is it strange to see MTS babies?
Old 06-29-2010, 07:17 PM   #1
 
Is it strange to see MTS babies?

Hey everyone, I've got three tanks set up that have MTS in them, a 55 gallon, a 10 gallon, and my 1 gallon shrimp tank.

I hardly ever see them in a 55 gallon that is littlerally crawling in algae, I just set up the 10 gallon, and I know I didn't put many snails in there, and the 1 gallon seems to be crawling with them.

It is a 1 gallon triangular tank, with a bunch of bacopa/java fern, a moss ball, some lava rocks, sand, and a pvc elbow.

It has a flourescent bulb in a desk lamp for light, and I have never seen algae grow in it, I'm assuming because the two amano shrimp love algae and eat it faster than it can grow.

I only put about 10 snails in there when I set it up a few weeks ago, but I occasionally throw in a rock from the 55 gallon that is covered with algae.

Right now I can count 6 TINY baby snails, less than the size of a pins head, but they are definitely snails and not a random bit of food stuck on the side.
They are all about halfway up the walls, but there are at least three large snails at the bottom eating happily, so I'm not particularly concerned about water quality.

Does it seem likely that these snails hitched a ride on an algae covered rock from the 55 gallon, but were too small for me to see when I took the rock out, and then left the rock when the shrimp ate all of its algae, or does it seem like there's something to do with the 1 gallon tank thats causing my snails to reproduce so much more than the other tanks, or is it just that the baby snails in the 55 in particular are most likely just lost in the mass of sand and rocks so I probably won't see them until they're bigger and crawl out?


I'm not terribly concerned about it, I really want more snails if I can manage, I'm just curious if it seems like theres something going on in the 1 gallon tank causing them to breed so much, that I might be able to reproduce in the 55 gallon to encourage that to have more snails.

I also have goldfish in the 55 gallon, so would it seem a likelihood that they're chomping on the baby snails while they're so small?


Thanks for any responses, just seems puzzling to me.
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Old 07-01-2010, 10:40 PM   #2
 
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im far from freshwater snail expert but i know some snail eggs are clear, so it is possible there was an egg sac on the rocks, or your right maybe even babies. you also mention putting in plants which snails love to hitch in on.
the goldfish are more then likely munching on the baby snails.
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Old 07-01-2010, 10:44 PM   #3
 
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im far from freshwater snail expert but i know some snail eggs are clear, so it is possible there was an egg sac on the rocks, or your right maybe even babies. you also mention putting in plants which snails love to hitch in on.
the goldfish are more then likely munching on the baby snails.
The malaysian trumpets actually reproduce by breaking off the end section of their tail as the new snail, otherwise I would assume it's something like that.

I love the snails, bought 40 and imagine I have at least 50 by now, but I would love to figrue out whats making them reproduce so much more in this tiny tank than anything else.

I'm hoping they're all over the place in the sand in the 55, but I can't really root through sand for tiny snails lol.
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Old 07-01-2010, 11:33 PM   #4
 
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i personally would just let it run its course and give it time and you'll more then likely be seeing more of them.
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Old 07-01-2010, 11:48 PM   #5
 
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i personally would just let it run its course and give it time and you'll more then likely be seeing more of them.
I hope, either way, at least they'll be crawling all over the tank on my desk. :)
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:13 AM   #6
 
Uhh, what? MTS give live birth, and multiply extremely fast. The reason you can see more of them in your 1g is simply because there's less substrate to hide in!

I have them in my 55g, my 40g, my 30g and a 20g, and I can tell ya, they're nocturnal substrate rooters, they'll come out at night to look around, but they stay deep in your substrate where the goodies are.
I didn't think I had any in my 55g because I never saw them in there... I use a wire kitty litter scoop to displace the gas in my sand in there, and brought up about 50 of them in one scoop... That put to rest any doubts they were in there!

In my smaller tanks it's easy to spot them, they run out of the substrate because there's less of it, but the same population of snails!

I've never heard of the theory that they reproduce by breaking off their tips... That's just silly! The female gives birth through her uterus. If they had to break their tip off every time, that would be a bummer!

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Old 07-09-2010, 06:47 AM   #7
 
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Neither have I heard of them breaking their shells. I would have noticed that with my particular MTS that were my firm favorites trying to breed them (and it was fascinating to see them breed nonstop..hee hee!). They are livebearers strictly speaking and will keep reproducing unless you are able to control your food supply which is one way to ensure their constant survival.
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:28 PM   #8
 
Huh, swear I heard that in a few places back when I was looking on how to get them to reproduce, and it seemed to make sense since I often see the snails having a big chunk at the end f their tails gone, and see many different stages, with the tip of the tail being a light color and slowly filling in and fading to the darker color of the rest of the snail.

I'll have to do some more digging and take some pictures of them because I could swear there were a few places that talked about how strange it was.

I do try to keep it so that my fish have little to 0 more food than they need, I'm almost tempted to overfeed a little bit to get some more snailes popping up, but I'd probably go nuts about the water quality.

On another note, haven't seen it anywhere so I don't know if it's common knowledge or not, but my crayfish enjoys eating a malaysian trumpet every great once in awhile. Threw me off when I saw it the first time.
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Old 07-09-2010, 03:09 PM   #9
 
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What kind of Crawfish is it?

I have two ten gallons and 1 5 gallon. Both the 10Gs have plain gravel substrate, the 5G has gravel over soil.

I see more MTS in my 10G livebearer, and very rarely in my 5G. (Maybe they like digging through the soil.)


Never heard of their tales breaking off- It was probably a flaw in their analysis- They saw snails with broken tails, and lots of babies... So they assumed they were linked.

I know in acidic water the tips of their shells dissolve. (Doesn't seem to affect them at all.)
Then again, I could have a similiar flaw in MY analysis- my acidic tank has the point-less shells.

I wouldn't try to make them reproduce... I'm willing to bet you have WAY more than you think. Drop an angae wafer in one night a couple hours after lights-out. In the morning, see how many snails are there.
(I bet zucchini would work just the same. Will help if you boil it for just a minute in REALLY hot water to make it more digestable, and help it sink.)

If you have live plants, you shouldn't worry about feeding the snails to keep them alive. They will eat tiny bits of plant debri, in addition to uneaten fish food and filtering through fish waste for tiny bits of undigested/partially digested food.
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Old 07-09-2010, 03:30 PM   #10
 
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What kind of Crawfish is it?

I have two ten gallons and 1 5 gallon. Both the 10Gs have plain gravel substrate, the 5G has gravel over soil.

I see more MTS in my 10G livebearer, and very rarely in my 5G. (Maybe they like digging through the soil.)


Never heard of their tales breaking off- It was probably a flaw in their analysis- They saw snails with broken tails, and lots of babies... So they assumed they were linked.

I know in acidic water the tips of their shells dissolve. (Doesn't seem to affect them at all.)
Then again, I could have a similiar flaw in MY analysis- my acidic tank has the point-less shells.

I wouldn't try to make them reproduce... I'm willing to bet you have WAY more than you think. Drop an angae wafer in one night a couple hours after lights-out. In the morning, see how many snails are there.
(I bet zucchini would work just the same. Will help if you boil it for just a minute in REALLY hot water to make it more digestable, and help it sink.)

If you have live plants, you shouldn't worry about feeding the snails to keep them alive. They will eat tiny bits of plant debri, in addition to uneaten fish food and filtering through fish waste for tiny bits of undigested/partially digested food.
The crayfish were just listed as crayfish in the pet store, I remember looking up awhile ago and the name of the one closest to mine was red something, maybe small red lobster, or red crayfish, but it had red in there(although they look more like a dark brown mostly)

Assuming just a wild crayfish from somewhere here in north america, but I've seen two or three times he's holding a snail shell, and it looks like he broke it up in a few places to kill it/get the meat out.
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