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Old 12-24-2011, 09:39 PM   #11
 
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Thanks so much for the well thought out response!
As I'm typing this, Im just sitting here shaking my head thinking about what a nightmare this is going to be lol.

I will definitely follow your advice on doing it quickly and all the rest...Aughhh, just dreading it. I just got a giftcard tonight for the LFS, so at least the money part is taken care of...But that's obviously a small part of this battle as it seems lol

Thanks again!
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:58 AM   #12
 
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You are very welcome... glad I could help give you some perspective on the job ahead....Yes, I just did my 10 gallon over to black substrate. OMG its fabulous looking in black. but the silt that is now sitting on everything. I should have changed more water, ie tear down and start up again. As long as you keep your plants, decor or even the fish all sitting in old tank water or new dechlor water, you can take a day and do the switch. Just remember the good bacteria is on everything and chlorine will kill it. 'so the trick is to not let things dry out or be killed by chlorinated tap water.
If you take that tear down opportunity to scrub everything clean then you will in effect cause a new cycle as if starting a brand new tank. You will need a ton of live plants to get you thru the new ammonia cycle.
Good luck.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:22 PM   #13
 
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Well, I was at the store today...And I decided to hold off a bit and get a few more fish instead....Which is going to only further add to my work load when I do go to do this lol.

(so far 4 bloodfin tetra, 5 5 Serpae tetras, and 3 Red Wag Platty)

The tank is new, and newly cycled, so I don't really need to do much if any cleaning, that said, I would REALLY love to do this somehow without cycling again. Especially now that I don't think I have enough tanks laying around to house everybody for a month or 2.
Now that you have made the change, do you think there would be anyway to do it in bits if I made some kind of a divider? There shouldn't be much gunk in the substrate yet food and waste wise as it hasn't been occupied that long. I can see now no mater what, it's going to be no fun, I just wonder if it can be done without starting over, ya know?

Thanks again in advance!
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:36 AM   #14
 
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(Just an idea, not actually done it before) Get some sort of mesh bag with the holes smaller then the majority of the gravel itself and while you are scooping it out scoop it into these bags and simply leave them in the tank. when your done putting the sand in keep them in there and slowly over time remove the gravel. The gravel will act as your biological filtration while holding your bacteria and allowing your tank the ability to gain it back in the sand. It would act like media from a previously cycled tank with starting a bacteria colony quickly. At least in theory that way if you did have a cycle it would be a miny one and less harmful on the fish. Once again this is only an idea from someone who doesnt have that much experience so you should double check with someone who has much more.
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:05 AM   #15
 
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just wanted to say hello and welcome.
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:48 PM   #16
 
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The only way to know if doing it in bits will work is to take your net or a cup and go scoop up the first batch of old gravel and just see how much silt or gunk you disturb. I have a 75 so I have double your trouble! But man the black looks fabulous!!
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:38 PM   #17
 
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Hello and thanks Willow :)

Thanks again Jakiebabie,

I just did that, and so far, not bad a few flakes of food, but no super nasty stuff like I saw when I emptied my first little 3.5 gallon (wow, was that nasty lol) So I think if I'm going to do it, I better do it real soon before it gets to be an even bigger project. Good luck on the 75!

I'll let you know how this goes, I'm going to try and split it up in to at least 2 or 3 parts, and stretch it over a few weeks I think and see if/how that flies. It won't look pretty, but hopefully I can kinda keep some degree of balance in the process without starting over entirely. After reading Byron's long and informative post on cycling process (http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...quarium-74891/), and depths of different bacteria and such, I'm not sure it's possible, But I gotta at least try cuz this rock is really bugging me lol.

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Old 12-28-2011, 01:06 AM   #18
 
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thats not exactly what i was saying but it works lol.

What i was saying is move ALL of the gravel into mesh bags and what not and switch the entire bottom of the tank to the sand you want to change it too but dont remove the gravel from the tank just yet... Rather either hang it in your tank or rest it on the sand in your tank then slowly remove the gravel there after, just like seed material when you are cycling a tank... only you have enough seed material for the tank already, which (just a guess once again i have never done this in my life) should prevent a cycle or minimize it if it happens. (Once again i have never done this before and i recommend asking someone much more experienced then i if this would even work.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:33 AM   #19
 
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I see what you are saying now, sorry, I'm slow some days I think.
I think that could really help, It may look like hell for a while, but it would be a good start toward getting it re-established faster I think.

I really hate to even think of this now since everyone in there looks all happy and settled in...But that rock in there just bugs me lol.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:35 AM   #20
 
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I know the feeling, i think im going to settle for some pool filter sand for my 75 gallon im setting up but id rather pay something like 20 bucks and get enough sand to do the entire tank then pay 60 bucks and pray its enough to get the black sand.
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