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post #1 of 25 Old 01-27-2017, 11:10 AM Thread Starter
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Hi!

As my username suggests, I adore angelfish. I tried keeping them 20 years ago and failed miserably (ignorance is a terrible thing but I was a working mother of two school-age kids so time was limited.) As an anniversary gift six months ago my husband purchased a tank setup and I selected the angelfish I wanted. I made a drastic error and lost two of the original four, but still have two Koi and two relatively new veiled true albino angels.

I'm considering a planted tank for the two Koi, which are displaying initial pairing behavior, and doing research on that subject.

Looks like a great forum and I'm looking forward to learning a lot!
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post #2 of 25 Old 01-27-2017, 03:37 PM
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Welcome to the group. Lots of people with lots of knowledge on angels. I have a group of 8-9 that my wife and enjoy watching but I'm no expert for sure.

We all make mistakes with fish but keep learning and you will make them less often, I have multiple tanks, fish and been keeping them for years but I messed up a few weeks ago and over stressed my oscars. Luckily nothing bad happened but still fill bad.


You can follow Old Fort Exotics on You Tube and on my Fish room thread.

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post #3 of 25 Old 01-28-2017, 09:14 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks, Warhawk! Since you have a whole heaping lot more experience than I, would you consider answering my question regarding seeding using the existing tank over at New tank items in old tank for a month to seed? ?

I wish my husband were as understanding as you. He's a bit put out with me for losing $200 worth of fish.
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post #4 of 25 Old 01-28-2017, 10:15 AM
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Hahaha yeah I bet he is

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post #5 of 25 Old 01-28-2017, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
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Hahaha yeah I bet he is

Since I can have only four to six fish, I said I wanted the ones I wanted and he agreed. He even agreed when the first shipment came to $179. He started having second thoughts when two of the first four died (my fault) and upon learning that angels are rather delicate compared to, say, goldfish. When I purchased the two albinos and two pearlscale koi for just under $200 and the new Koi died (whose deaths were the result of emergency moving after the two paired and started trying to kill the other four--lesson: never believe the text on a bottle) he couldn't believe I'd flushed $100 worth of fish in two days.

I think he's regretting that anniversary gift.
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post #6 of 25 Old 01-28-2017, 11:39 AM
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So probably not everyone will agree with this, but when you have expensive taste it's best to get it right with some starter fish. I mean, it's one thing to buy $5 fish and lose them...

If you're goal is to keep these specialty angelfish, I think it would be prudent to keep some regular angelfish for several months first to iron out all the kinks, and to get the tank ready for them. Give them back to the store and then get the ones you really want. I think that gives you your best shot at success.
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125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
2.5 - betta
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So probably not everyone will agree with this, but when you have expensive taste it's best to get it right with some starter fish. I mean, it's one thing to buy $5 fish and lose them...

If you're goal is to keep these specialty angelfish, I think it would be prudent to keep some regular angelfish for several months first to iron out all the kinks, and to get the tank ready for them. Give them back to the store and then get the ones you really want. I think that gives you your best shot at success.
I wouldn't disagree with that jaysee. My reasoning goes like this: I'm purchasing all my fish from one breeder to reduce the odds of the fish being exposed to new diseases, etc. I'm kinda neurotic on biosecurity, and I know that many fish stores aren't known for biosecurity, or even trying to sell disease-free fish. So I traded in price for the best shot at keeping the fish I purchased alive. I hadn't considered that the test kit's pH solution was bad (my well-drawn tap water read 6.5 when in reality it is 4.5, which killed the cultured sponge filter from the same breeder [water pH 8.5] and left me with unrecognized new tank syndrome.) I also hadn't counted on the two pearlscale koi pairing so quickly and trying to kill the others and, in an attempt to protect the four, used a product called "seed" along with filling the temporary 10g tank with 5g treated tap water/5g existing tank water to separate the two. Alas, that was a very poor idea despite the fact that the bottle of "seed" specifically says one can move fish into the new tank a day after beginning treatment as long as that dosing continues for seven days. That was a huge OOPS.

I should note that a third to half of the cost of the fish is in overnight shipping costs (depends on how many in the shipment.) My albinos are $45 each but counting shipping, add $20 to each.

So yeah, I totally agree that in most cases it makes sense to start out with the $5 fish. I just don't want to introduce new disease organisms into my tank. Whether that would've come out better than trying it this way. . ..well, it could've. I don't really know. All I know is I have the four remaining and I want to keep them healthy, growing and if the two koi continue to initiate pairing, perhaps breeding. The local aquarium-specific store said they'd purchase juvenile koi from me for $5-9 each, depending on size and coloring. If that happens I can placate hubby with a little money made to offset that spent.

Of course that means I have to learn about breeding which is a whole new world in itself.

ETA: The tank has been up for six months and the two original Koi still alive are doing well. It was a very expensive way to cycle the tank but at least it is cycled now.
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post #8 of 25 Old 01-28-2017, 12:13 PM
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Yeah it seems like you're on top of things - can't prepare for everything.

Haha your fish cost $65 each, cause that's how much money you spent

If you want to make money with fish, you either have to move a ton of cheap fish, or focus on supplying high end fish. It's not always as easy to do as the guides make it out to be

125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
2.5 - betta
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Yeah it seems like you're on top of things - can't prepare for everything.
I tried my best but. . ..

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Haha your fish cost $65 each, cause that's how much money you spent
Hubs would say it was far more than that with the testing, treatments, etc. performed at the start.

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If you want to make money with fish, you either have to move a ton of cheap fish, or focus on supplying high end fish. It's not always as easy to do as the guides make it out to be
Oh I have neither the intent nor the misguided idea that I can make money. If the fish breed and they raise their own fry, and any survive to juveniles, I'll sell them since I don't have enough water space for additional fish. I seriously doubt I'd ever make enough to cover the cost of the fish and associated gear.

Do you think driftwood and a 4" sponge filter kept in the existing tank for 30 days is enough to support the move of the Koi to a separate 20g tank? Or would you cycle the new tank using one of the non-fish methods and supplement the bacterial filtration with the sponge and wood?
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post #10 of 25 Old 01-28-2017, 10:59 PM
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Yes as long as the existing tank is established - several months old - you should be fine.

You should focus on the fish paying for the costs of operation. You'll NEVER recover the initial money invested, but you could break even from here on out - that's certainly an attainable goal.

To be completely honest, I think you'd have better luck selling plants, if you can grow them well.

125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
2.5 - betta
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