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Tricky question - Bottomfeeders all dying
Old 09-25-2012, 02:41 PM   #11
 
Ok, I'll try that tonight. Hopefully I can get him fed!

I haven't seen him come off the glass and on to the tank floor once since hes been in the tank.

I am partially worried he's just not finding the food fast enough after it settles to the substrate. Everything I've ever read says this isnt very logical- if it's in the tank they'll be able to sense it, but I have no way of telling either way. He certainly doesn't act like he knows there's food there
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:35 PM   #12
 
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Ok, I'll try that tonight. Hopefully I can get him fed!

I haven't seen him come off the glass and on to the tank floor once since hes been in the tank.

I am partially worried he's just not finding the food fast enough after it settles to the substrate. Everything I've ever read says this isnt very logical- if it's in the tank they'll be able to sense it, but I have no way of telling either way. He certainly doesn't act like he knows there's food there
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It is always possible that so far he is getting all he needs from grazing the surfaces. Biofilms colonize all surfaces and these attract microscopic algae, plankton, etc. and many fish will feed off them. Only when that is exhausted will they turn to prepared (un-natural) foods.
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:35 PM   #13
 
I see what you're saying, but I'm having a hard time believing they were getting all the nutients they needed if they were all dying...


I've started feeding about two hours after total blackout.

I can't tell if the pleco is getting it, though.

I have started a new feeding process... Instead of simply dropping the algae wafers in the tank, I dip them in to get them wet, wait a minute until the outermost layer gets slimy, and then stick the wafer directly onto the glass of the tank. I know from a daytime test it cank stick there for upwards of 4 hours before it becomes too soggy and loses adhesion...

I did this because I never see my latest pleco looking for food anywhere but on the glass. Hopefully he's finding the sticky wafers, but I still see a mushy green pile of dissolved wafer under where I stuck it in the morning.

Meanwhile, my heater and filter are looking brand new again, so I know he's gotten at least that much food...

Sigh.

My first pleco was so easy! Drop in a wafer, 10 seconds later there was a pleco stuck to it >:(

I can't figure out why nobody else is eating them.

At the very least, this latest pleco has survived longer than any recent predecessor, so maybe the airstone fixed the catfish massacre and this guy is simply a picky eater...

In that case, are there any tried and true methods for stimulating quick algae growth in a planted tank to keep him from starving?

Leaving lights on longer? Plant ferts?

I am going to keep offering prepped foods, but vacuuming them out every morning is getting tedious. I am thinking about moving him into my Betta tank (and relocating thr betta to a temporary bowl) until I see him eating the prepped foods, but im worried I'll be stressing them both out by the move.
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:34 PM   #14
 
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I see what you're saying, but I'm having a hard time believing they were getting all the nutients they needed if they were all dying...


I've started feeding about two hours after total blackout.

I can't tell if the pleco is getting it, though.

I have started a new feeding process... Instead of simply dropping the algae wafers in the tank, I dip them in to get them wet, wait a minute until the outermost layer gets slimy, and then stick the wafer directly onto the glass of the tank. I know from a daytime test it cank stick there for upwards of 4 hours before it becomes too soggy and loses adhesion...

I did this because I never see my latest pleco looking for food anywhere but on the glass. Hopefully he's finding the sticky wafers, but I still see a mushy green pile of dissolved wafer under where I stuck it in the morning.

Meanwhile, my heater and filter are looking brand new again, so I know he's gotten at least that much food...

Sigh.

My first pleco was so easy! Drop in a wafer, 10 seconds later there was a pleco stuck to it >:(

I can't figure out why nobody else is eating them.

At the very least, this latest pleco has survived longer than any recent predecessor, so maybe the airstone fixed the catfish massacre and this guy is simply a picky eater...

In that case, are there any tried and true methods for stimulating quick algae growth in a planted tank to keep him from starving?

Leaving lights on longer? Plant ferts?

I am going to keep offering prepped foods, but vacuuming them out every morning is getting tedious. I am thinking about moving him into my Betta tank (and relocating thr betta to a temporary bowl) until I see him eating the prepped foods, but im worried I'll be stressing them both out by the move.
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I tend to think that fish find food if it is put in, even if I may never see some of them eating.

The trouble with any attempt to increase natural algae is that the only type likely to increase is one the fish won't touch, like brush/beard algae, hair algae, etc. The common green algae and diatoms are all these "algae eaters" will eat. You can place a bit of rock in a jar of tank water in direct sun to get some green algae growing, then add the rock to the tank.

Another trick I use is the dinner gong as i call it. Every time I feed the fish in the tank, I lightly tap on the frame with the plastic spoon i use for feeding. It is amazing how quickly they will learn that this sound means food. I find this particularly useful for fish that hide, like my corys, pleco, whiptails, Farlowella. If I tap on the tank now, within about 3-5 minutes all these fish will be out at the front area where i normally drop the sinking foods. Even the otos appear, grazing along the substrate or on plant leaves right down at substrate level.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:27 PM   #15
 
Alright! A few weeks in and my latest pleco is still alive and suckering.

I still find the mushy food in the tank in the morning, so I'm not really sure what that's about, but the airstone seems to have solved my catfish massacre crisis.

Thanks for the help everyone! Gonna keep putting the food in the tank under the assumption he will eat it before he starves now that I'm not suffocating him.
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:37 AM   #16
 
that was educational.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:03 AM   #17
 
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Alright! A few weeks in and my latest pleco is still alive and suckering.

I still find the mushy food in the tank in the morning, so I'm not really sure what that's about, but the airstone seems to have solved my catfish massacre crisis.

Thanks for the help everyone! Gonna keep putting the food in the tank under the assumption he will eat it before he starves now that I'm not suffocating him.
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I've had a bn pleco for two months and worried as she didn't seem to eat. I feed NLS algae wafers and they would still be in the tank in the morning. But she seems to have grown and gained weight. I like Byrons idea of putting a rock in water in the sun, I'll do that tomorrow.
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