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Time for a hobby revolution!
Old 11-30-2009, 12:48 PM   #21
 
Im new to the site, i am a beginner, and i enjoy the fact that my questions are answered here, and i like the fact that im being given pointers from people who have had experience were i am lacking it, and that my negatives are pointed out. Even if i am recieving a negative feedback if my tank is to small for the fish or something like that, i take that information and use it in the future so i can learn from it. For the most part everything i have asked has been answered and has worked from the tips i have recieved here. Im positive i will be posting here in the future for more advice and i am positive i will come to this forum first before i even go to a petsmart or petco.
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Old 11-30-2009, 07:01 PM   #22
 
Hybrids are massively frowned upon within the hobby.

Crystal clear water and fish that "look good" means nothing as to how healthy they are.

I (unfortunately) saw about a grands worth of dead marines due to a useless courier service. The water was crystal clear and they did indeed look good, but they certainly weren't in good health.

Water tests aren't necessary once the tank is stable.

You are clearly inexperienced and unless this post is clearly dismissed by the forum as a whole it will be responsible for the ill health and possibly death of fish.

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Old 11-30-2009, 07:30 PM   #23
 
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Hybrids are massively frowned upon within the hobby.

Crystal clear water and fish that "look good" means nothing as to how healthy they are.

I (unfortunately) saw about a grands worth of dead marines due to a useless courier service. The water was crystal clear and they did indeed look good, but they certainly weren't in good health.

You are clearly inexperienced and unless this post is clearly dismissed by the forum as a whole it will be responsible for the ill health and possibly death of fish.
While I can't speak for everyone, I'm pretty sure that getting personal is massively frowned on in this forum, if not the hobby in general.

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Water tests aren't necessary once the tank is stable.
You just made the OP's point for him. He is saying you shouldn't have to understand the intricacies of the nitrogen cycle, algae, etc to enjoy fishkeeping.


I don't agree with everything the OP said, for sure, but dude, be civil or be silent, pleeeeeeze.

Mods....this thread is approaching the point where Godwin's law applies, maybe time to consider closing the thread.

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Old 11-30-2009, 07:34 PM   #24
 
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agreed 100% there is no reason for that kind of attack during an intelligent conversation...... please be kind to one an other we are all here to express our selves but be fair to all sides ........ and no reason EVER for name calling here that would be some of the other places on the web..
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Old 11-30-2009, 07:38 PM   #25
 
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agreed 100% there is no reason for that kind of attack during an intelligent conversation...... please be kind to one an other we are all here to express our selves but be fair to all sides ........ and no reason EVER for name calling here that would be some of the other places on the web..
Agreed.
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Old 11-30-2009, 09:39 PM   #26
 
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Crystal clear water and fish that "look good" means nothing as to how healthy they are.

Water tests aren't necessary once the tank is stable.
I would be interested in some clarification on these statements. It seems that you only have 2 ways to judge the health of a system. You either use visual observations, or you use a test kit. Yes?

I would personally encourage everyone to use every test they have. This includes your eyes and careful observation of every fish in the aquarium, at least a few times per week. Are the fish swimming well and, free of spots and torn fins? Are the eyes cloudy? Are the scales shiny and vibrant? Do the fish actively compete in the feeding area? All of these signs are visual and help to determine the health of a fish.

The same can be said of the water to some degree. Is there any cloudiness or yellow tint to the water? Cloudiness could signal a bacterial bloom, resulting from an ammonia spike. A yellow tint is possibly a sign of increased dissolved organic acids, tinting the water and suggesting that water changes are not being performed frequently enough. True, these are not perfect "tests", but they sure give you some warning signs on occasion that something could be wrong.

I personally also like to test the water, especially for pH and general hardness. These tests can provide you with some trends as to how the water is behaving between water changes. There have been occasions over the years where a rapid drop in hardness was an indication to me that something was wrong. Something as simple as a filter pad which went unchanged inside a canister filter could cause waste to decay, depleting the buffer system, lowering hardness, and ultimately causing pH to rapidly drop. A dead fish which has gone unnoticed could cause the same reaction. A simple hardness and pH test gives you confirmation that your water changing routine is effective, and that you have not overlooked a normal aspect of your aquarium maintenance routine.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:11 AM   #27
 
What I mean by stable, is nothing else is ever going to change.

You feed the same, stock the same, the fish stay the same. All of the variables that might change the parameters of the water are set to a constant.

If literally, nothing has changed, you should be able to predict accurately what your test results will be before you do them. At this stage I deem testing pointless. Maybe once in a long while, but thats it. You don't actually need any indications of how your tank is doing, because it's a stable ecosystem and everything is working how it should. Anybody that doesn't have a set regime and tests the water regularly to see what needs doing to keep the system going is doing it wrong. The tank should be almost self reliant, not reliant on the owner.

Im am absolutely not agreeing with the OP. He/She (as far as I read it) is saying that you never need to test the water and you need no understanding of anything that is happening within the tank. This is ridiculous if you ask me.

I apologize for the name calling, it was childish and completely uncalled for.
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:23 PM   #28
 
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I found myself nodding my head up and down reading your last post willie. I completely understand where you are coming from and in many cases run aquariums exactly as you mention. It is really in situations with tanks that are more heavily stocked or have fish with specific pH demands where weekly testing becomes more relevant. Good post.
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Old 12-01-2009, 07:22 PM   #29
 
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now wee all seem to be reading the (meaning) the same thing ...LOL funny how a small spark gets conversation going in a better direction......
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Old 12-01-2009, 07:50 PM   #30
 
I like to read the posts on here. I take from it what I need and pay little attention to the negative part. I do my water changes and enjoy all my fish hybrids or not. Thanks to everyone on here that has helped me over the last couple of months. Im trying my hand with cichlids so Im sure there are many more questions to come.

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