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post #11 of 19 Old 05-14-2008, 11:15 PM Thread Starter
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How would the authorities discover someone's single loach? Are they going to be patrolling people's homes and looking into their aquariums? It's a silly legislation - some things cannot be controlled by government. This is one of those things. How are they really going to regulate the things in this legislation?
I mentioned previously that if you look at the commentaries, someone pointed out that citizens in Switzerland are law abiding people so if your neighbors find out you broke the law, they may or may not hand you over to the authorities for breaking the laws. I know the legislation seemed absurd but there is always a bright side and a downside on every single thing. It's a start at least to minimize abuse inflicted on fish and while it is good to see some changes, there are a few things in the legislation that are going overboard such as the one you and Amphitrite pointed out. In my opinion, the legislation will need further reviewing before it is enforced in September 2008.

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post #12 of 19 Old 05-14-2008, 11:17 PM
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How would the authorities discover someone's single loach? Are they going to be patrolling people's homes and looking into their aquariums? It's a silly legislation - some things cannot be controlled by government. This is one of those things. How are they really going to regulate the things in this legislation?
I don't really think it'd be like that...more like the animal cruelty laws here in the U.S. People could report abuse when they see it, such as at pet stores or even neighbors. It seems pretty generally accepted on this forum that people don't really care for the big chain stores' generally poor conditions in which they keep their fish, so reporting negligent stores seems to be no real problem. When it comes to private citizens...well, I'd definitely report a neighbor if he was clearly abusing his dog by leaving it chained up in the backyard malnourished. How is reporting a neighbor's mistreatment of his fish any different?
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How is reporting a neighbor's mistreatment of his fish any different?
In the case of fish, unless you had them over for coffee or something I kind of wonder if you couldn't get them arrested for peeping or report them for suspicious behavior because in most people's cases they'd have to have their noses pressed to the window to see the tanks. I myself live in a 3rd floor apartment so if someone decided to report me for abuse the first question I'd be asking is "Why were you on my balcony?".

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post #14 of 19 Old 05-15-2008, 08:20 AM
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Third floor? How do you get your tanks up all those stairs?

You're absolutely right, but even if my neighbor were being friendly and invited me over for coffee and his tanks were a mess, I'd say something to him about proper fish care. If he didn't change his ways after mentioning it several times, I'd be inclined to tell him he's breaking the law and I'll have to report him if he keeps it up. Actually reporting him would be a last resort.
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post #15 of 19 Old 05-15-2008, 08:40 AM
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They would not need to peep in a window or kick in a door they could simply regulate the sales of aquarium equipment and supplies.In order to purchase them you would need to produce a urine er.. water sample. all joking aside ,when you consider what fish must endure to produce the colors and often hideous sub- species maybe its a start in the right direction

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post #16 of 19 Old 05-15-2008, 10:13 AM
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I think we're missing the big picture here. That was a great picture of a flag tailed prochilus with that article.

Governments will do what the loudest, most generous with campaign donations, and most annoyingly persistant people want them to. If you want to make a difference, figure out a way to tax selfrighteousness. If legislators are exempted from the tax, it will pass so fast your head will spin.

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post #17 of 19 Old 05-15-2008, 04:32 PM
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I'm confused why loaches can no longer be kept? I didn't see anything specific about that in the article.

I'm really annoyed that euthanasia by freezing is outlawed. That's very humane, it's even recommended on this forum! They could have at least done some research before hand.

I think the only thing about that law I agree with is that live fish aren't allowed to be flushed down the toilet. But even that, it's freaking stupid to pass more laws that cannot be enforced. How the hell will they prove if your fish was alive or dead before you flushed it? That's to say there's any way to prove a fish was even flushed!
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Every loach (to my knowledge) is social to a degree and benefits from the presence of other loaches. The law bans keeping social fish as solitary specimens.
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Every loach (to my knowledge) is social to a degree and benefits from the presence of other loaches. The law bans keeping social fish as solitary specimens.
Read up some more. Some are territorial. The one that springs right to mind is the Batik Loach, Mesonoemacheilus triangularis, which is pretty feisty and can be kept in groups in an aquarium with a large enough footprint, but also does as well alone. Treat it like a RTBS allowing for it being less than half as big fully grown. There are other loaches with that kind of temperament as well, mostly stream dwelling IIRC.

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