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post #51 of 75 Old 05-04-2013, 03:04 PM
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NOOOOO!!! Mossballs are brilliant! Don't drop them. . .
I've always regarded my Mossies more like animals than plants. They're fuzzy and they end up moving or being moved all around, either by the current, the keeper, or even the fish. I have them in every one of my tanks, and they all have names, because they're SO SUPER CUTE!!! *giggle* Mossballs are the greatest!
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Well, I guess moss balls have their fans.

I was going to post about the plant vs non-plant ammonia issue but I think it's been covered as it isnt a matter of right or wrong, Any method or variation should take into account all of the factors and I was making suggestions based on Zombie's plan to have plants anyway.

Regardless of the next steps, I think your tank is going to be a super looking setup and I am looking forward to seeing it progress.... Moss balls and all.

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post #52 of 75 Old 05-04-2013, 07:12 PM
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Something to keep in mind about the two methods of "cycling" is that the bacteria and plants are in competition for all the ammonia they can grab. And stem plants and floating plants and some other faster growing types will win because they are faster at taking up ammonia than the Nitrosomonas bacteria [initially] or the subsequent Archaea.

My thinking is that when plants are intended, start with them and give them a good head-start to establish a natural balanced system faster. Encouraging bacteria/archaea in a planted tank is not advisable; let what is naturally there be there, but don't try to increase it at the expense of the plants.

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Something to keep in mind about the two methods of "cycling" is that the bacteria and plants are in competition for all the ammonia they can grab. And stem plants and floating plants and some other faster growing types will win because they are faster at taking up ammonia than the Nitrosomonas bacteria [initially] or the subsequent Archaea.

My thinking is that when plants are intended, start with them and give them a good head-start to establish a natural balanced system faster. Encouraging bacteria/archaea in a planted tank is not advisable; let what is naturally there be there, but don't try to increase it at the expense of the plants.

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They are mutually exclusive why? Plant the tank, with the OP's parameters a ph drop significant enough to harm the plants is unlikely. Use ammonia and grow the plants and bacteria. If when the fish are added only the plants use the ammonia they provide then so be it. There will not be any worrying about spiking parameters.

Again I have used both methods, both work well. One or the other might have advantages in a given situation. I really have no dog in this race, other than to fight the total bottleneck of opinion. All things that do not adversely effect our fish are worth looking at and considering.

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post #54 of 75 Old 05-19-2013, 06:51 PM Thread Starter
Figured I'd share a update photo. Still no fish, working on some plants first. Picked up a few plants. Here is what it looks like currently...Oh and again, sorry for the crappy pic but you get the point. I just wish you guys could see how it really looks in person...
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post #55 of 75 Old 05-20-2013, 02:26 AM
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It's a GREAT shot - of a LOVELY tank! Off to a great start, this one is a beauty ^.^ I can't wait to see where it goes next!
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post #56 of 75 Old 05-20-2013, 08:57 AM Thread Starter
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It's a GREAT shot - of a LOVELY tank! Off to a great start, this one is a beauty ^.^ I can't wait to see where it goes next!
I will keep you guys updated. Thanks a bunch!

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post #57 of 75 Old 05-24-2013, 10:58 AM Thread Starter
I added some moss. Plan to add more just couldn't get it all at once. Anyone have any extra they are willing to donate?
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post #58 of 75 Old 05-24-2013, 11:01 AM
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I keep having to trim my moss... so far I haven't thrown any out though... new tank, little jug stuff.

I like the look on the driftwood. Did you tie it down? It isn't obvious in the picture.


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Yes it is tied down. I used to use fishing line but this time I went the thread route.
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Yes it is tied down. I used to use fishing line but this time I went the thread route.
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