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post #31 of 75 Old 05-02-2013, 04:32 PM
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All of the wood except the large piece was in a tank I had going years ago and released most of its tannins already. So the majority if not all tannins are from that large piece I believe. If I'm not mistaken, the tank is cycled? Is there anything I should be doing at this point? This is my first fishless cycle. When should I do a water change? Should I keep adding food? Sorry for all the questions but like I said I'm new to the fishless cycle. How about my tank setup selections, see any issues?
A fishless cycle can drop the ph. It did in my case, but then I had much softer water than you do. Your tank is cycled to a degree, but you will still need to stock slowly like Jeff said. If you had gone the ammonia route then you would be able to stock everything practically from the get go since that way builds up a huge colony of bacteria. Using a small quantity of fish food only builds up a correspondingly small colony. Plants will help you out.

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post #32 of 75 Old 05-02-2013, 07:06 PM
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Also, I'm thinking of going with this setup. Anybody see a problem with any of the selections I've made?
The isn't sufficient space in a 4-foot 55g tank for all of these together. The Denisons Barb needs a much larger tank on its own, see the profile. The rainbows are nice but being very active fish all three species will get in each others way; in a larger tank, they would make a very actractive mix.

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post #33 of 75 Old 05-02-2013, 07:18 PM Thread Starter
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Just enough to keep a low level of ammonia being produced, you don't need a lot, and daily.... less than you would be feeding the fish. If you weren't adding plants I might say you would want more as you are really trying to get the tank working to the eventual ammonia source from the fish you are going to add. Seeing as the plants will circumvent a huge amount of the eventual ammonia from the fish you don't need that much.

Once you start adding fish, do yourself a huge favour and add them slowly though, weeks apart in small groups, let the tank stabilize between each addition.

When are you planting and how much?... if you already mentioned it I have forgotten.

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Not a lot at first. Limited budget.

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post #34 of 75 Old 05-02-2013, 07:28 PM Thread Starter
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The isn't sufficient space in a 4-foot 55g tank for all of these together. The Denisons Barb needs a much larger tank on its own, see the profile. The rainbows are nice but being very active fish all three species will get in each others way; in a larger tank, they would make a very actractive mix.
I've never kept Denisons and really wanted to but I see your point. On the other hand, I've kept several rainbow species in the past in a 55g and they seemed to do great. Even got the Bosemani and some Blue Rams to breed in the same tank! What would you suggest?... as far as stocking goes.

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post #35 of 75 Old 05-02-2013, 07:43 PM
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But there are some neat hardwater fish that have come into the hobby recently. A lot of them are small, colorful shoaling fish. The Asian rummynose barb (Sawbwa resplendens) is my favorite. Emerald dwarf rasbora are also gorgeous. For some bottom-dwellers look at the Inle Loach (Petruichthys brevis) .
I know you were asking Byron for suggests, zombiefish, but I couldn't resist bringing these back up. Throw in Devario auropurpureus and it's a biotope I wish my water matched without me having to fiddle with it.
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I know you were asking Byron for suggests, zombiefish, but I couldn't resist bringing these back up. Throw in Devario auropurpureus and it's a biotope I wish my water matched without me having to fiddle with it.
I am digging the Emrald Dwarf Rasbora and the Asian Rummynose are nice as well. Both seem like a good contrast together. Maybe...the question now is where to get them...

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post #37 of 75 Old 05-02-2013, 08:33 PM
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Best option would be if your LFS could order them for you. I've seen all four species for sale online, but that is going to cost more because of shipping. Finding the closest place to you would help that, but then there is the matter of you would need to stock slowly and couldn't buy in bulk to save. If you had to order online then I would try to use ammonia to fishless cycle so you could get most of the fish at the same time.
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Best option would be if your LFS could order them for you. I've seen all four species for sale online, but that is going to cost more because of shipping. Finding the closest place to you would help that, but then there is the matter of you would need to stock slowly and couldn't buy in bulk to save. If you had to order online then I would try to use ammonia to fishless cycle so you could get most of the fish at the same time.
What do I use for the ammonia source? Will it restart the cycle?

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post #39 of 75 Old 05-02-2013, 09:03 PM
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I used pure unscented ammonia. Actually was a pain to find. You need the kind without any additives at all. To test that you shake the bottle and if it foams it's not what you want. It won't restart the cycle, but it will lengthen it. You have the bacteria, you'd simply be building up the bioload they can handle from the start.

I think Byron has said this method would be bad for plants. I know others have said it speeds up growth. My frogbit died when I tried, but that was due to trying this method with softwater.

Now after saying all this I have to admit that using plants to cycle is now my preferred method. Fishless was a disaster, but again that was with my water. Plants are just simply the easiest and the method I prefer for myself.
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post #40 of 75 Old 05-02-2013, 09:10 PM
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If plants and budget are not in sync, perhaps adding plants as you can to get them built up would be appropriate. Depending on how out of budget they are, you might find that the timeline is similar to adding the ammonia and bumping the cycle into a higher gear and safer for fish in the long run.

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