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Old 04-03-2008, 02:41 AM   #11
 
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Wrong, and proof that you should ALWAYS take what you hear from ANYONE with a grain of salt.. Get second and third opinions, from sources you HAVE REASON to trust (people not trying to sell you something, and who are aquarists themselves, like the people here, are a good source, I would say.. LOL).

MINIMUM for schooling fish is 6-8..
I understand this now. I realize that I made a hugely stupid error. Since I have learned this, I have consulted on everything I do by checking on this forum, reading literature and discussing changes with a friend that used to run an aquarium maintenance company for many years and is highly educated. I also consult with fish vets with any medical issues.

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It really is to bad that you already have too many different types of fish, but I would suggest you not make the problem worse by adding across the board..
What would be your suggestion to better remedy the situation? I'd like my fish to be as healthy and content as possible. Right now I have:
In the 55:
3- rasbora het
3- gold barbs
5- black skirt tetra
4- neon tetra
1- guppy
1- dwarf frog
1- common pleco (will be moving to a new home in May)
In the 92:
8- zebra danios

I am in the process of moving each group of fish every 4-7 days into the 92 (as the water parameters permit). Once those fish are transfered, I am going to start filling out the groups. I would like to have the other tanks up and running, but unfortunately I will be leaving to work from May through August and my roommate is only willing to care for one tank while I am gone.

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What are your water parameters? Ammonia, etc?
With an API liquid test kit in both tanks:
ammonia = 0
nitrite = 0
nitrate = 15
pH = 8
GH = 180
KH = 150
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:59 PM   #12
 
The barbs would be my thought on the nippers but if you keep them in a school, 6-8, they'll pretty much keep to themselves and chase eachother. I don't think your mixing too many fish. Everyone likes what they like and if this is what you want, then go for it! In a 92g you really have a lot of options. I would definatly add a bottom dweller. Personally, I've fallen in love with my cories. 6-8 would keep them happy. you could throw a pleco in there but make sure you do your homework and know more than the lfs does when it comes to plecos.
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:33 PM   #13
 
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Wow, that pH is up there.. LOL

15 for nitrates, eh? Is that just after you did a water change, or before?

15-20ppm and you are getting up there..

If your at 15-20ppm again after only a few days of doing a water change, you are overstocked..

I realize you want to have your fish in schools, but until you can get them in other tanks, it isn't worth having worse stressors, like high nitrates..

But let us know.. It could just be your bacteria hasn't adjusted to the new additions, yet..

Is your tank planted?
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:36 PM   #14
 
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The barbs would be my thought on the nippers but if you keep them in a school, 6-8, they'll pretty much keep to themselves and chase eachother.
Hmm, my gold barbs seem to be pretty friendly right now. They like to school around with the black skirts, but I will definitely keep an eye on them for any aggression issues. I don't tolerate any aggressive behavior in my tank hence why I tried to select peaceful community fish.

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I don't think your mixing too many fish. Everyone likes what they like and if this is what you want, then go for it! In a 92g you really have a lot of options. I would definatly add a bottom dweller. Personally, I've fallen in love with my cories. 6-8 would keep them happy. you could throw a pleco in there but make sure you do your homework and know more than the lfs does when it comes to plecos.
That's exactly why I ended up with so many little groups, I really like the look of the different types of fish. I am pretty sure that I will add a group of cories to the mix when I can. As to the pleco, I have had common and bristlenose ones and (Lupin- cover your ears!) I really don't like them much.

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Wow, that pH is up there.. LOL
Yeah, its the same that comes out of the tap. That's why I only buy locally kept fish, so they are more likely to be adapted to the pH.

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15 for nitrates, eh? Is that just after you did a water change, or before?
That is before the water change.

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Is your tank planted?
No, but I hope to add some low maintenance.

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. I appreciate the advice.
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:40 PM   #15
 
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If that is before a water change, then you might be ok..

Just keep an eye on it, and if it starts to stay around 15ppm just a few days after a water change, then you might want to wait before adding more fish..
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:43 PM   #16
 
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Ok- not to be nitpicky here, but I would like to clarify schooling versus shoaling. Schooling fish swim together all in the same direction, whereas shoaling fish just like to stick together. Most of the fish we think of as schoolers are actually shoalers. :D
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:46 PM   #17
 
Which of mine are schoolers versus shoalers?
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:10 PM   #18
 
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That's a good question..

Personally I think it's splitting hairs, but that's me. :)

Thanks for the proper definition!

So to clarify.. the tetras and corys are shoaling fish, and they do form schools with their own kind..

Is that better?
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:14 PM   #19
 
Upsizing

Are you keeping the 55 or just going with the 92?
Personally, if the barbs and tetras hang out happily together, I would be nclined to LEAVE A GOOD THING ALONE...
As to your other questions, There is nothing wrong with neons. If you have them, and they are doing well, fine. If they hang out together and no one joins them, its ok to add a few more.

Strangely, you only have 1 guppy. If I am remembering correctly, this is actually the only fish you have that is found in higher pH water...
But I certainly would not add livebearers to the mix of fin nippers you have. Also, current fish will eat any fry they have.

Just my $.02
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Old 04-04-2008, 05:55 PM   #20
 
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Are you keeping the 55 or just going with the 92?
The 55 gallon will be left running empty for the summer. Come August it will house a group of tiger barbs, which is what my roommate would like as it is her tank 9the others are all mine). I can only leave one tank running for the summer as I will be gone.

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Strangely, you only have 1 guppy.
The one guppy is a long story, but she was a rescue. She likes to swim with the neons, but I will be adding a group of female only guppies once I have the space.

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But I certainly would not add livebearers to the mix of fin nippers you have.
Which are you calling fin nippers? None of mine have shown any inclination to do so (not that I am saying they won't, just haven't ever). All these fish are listed as peaceful community fish wherever I look.
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