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post #11 of 49 Old 04-16-2013, 07:19 PM
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There are many fish that you can't add and many that you can. The betta adds another aspect. I added my betta to a 20g community tank containing platys and tetras and he chased them constantly. It's a very real possibility that you'll end up with a ten gallon betta tank. Other people have had bettas exist peacefully within a community tank. You never know. You just have to be prepared for the worst. To be honest, as soon as you said the betta was definitely going in, I had a bad feeling. As a rule, they generally don't make good community fish...if not for their aggression, then that of fish that can't resist nipping at those long beautiful fins. Your betta will surely benefit from having more space, heat, filtration, and cover in the form of live plants. The rest is a gamble. Best of luck.

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post #12 of 49 Old 04-16-2013, 07:23 PM Thread Starter
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Yes...I am considering not adding him because of how he interacted with my ghost shrimp. He had "moments" to attack them.
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post #13 of 49 Old 04-16-2013, 08:57 PM
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You can get the General Hardness (GH) and pH from your water utility if you are city water. Call or look it up online.

Given your betta behaviour with the shrimp I might suggest he will be aggressive with anything. If you have lots of plants and maybe a small piece of knarly driftwood you could keep cherry shrimp, maybe. I did that with my betta but in a 37 gallon tank but mine didn't bother with them at all.

A 10 gallon heated tank will be good for the betta as a solitary fish.

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Small scale nitrogen cycle with a jar, water and fish food; no substrate, filter etc
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post #14 of 49 Old 04-16-2013, 09:56 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks. But I am going to leave him in my 1 gallon tank no heater or filter. He is doing excellent as is
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post #15 of 49 Old 04-17-2013, 11:32 AM
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FrightyDog, welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.

This thread has bounced around a bit, but as you asked at one point what fish could go in your 10g, I will mention our fish profiles, second heading from the left in the blue bar across the top of the page. Each profile has minimum tank sizes for the fish, and minimum numbers as some fish are shoaling and need a group.

Knowing your water parameters is essential though, as some fish need specific ranges. As someone suggested, you can get this info from your municipal water supply people, they likely have a website. The GH is the general hardness, and pH refers to the acidity/alkalinity. Selecting fish suited to your tap water is always wiser and easier.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #16 of 49 Old 04-20-2013, 09:53 AM Thread Starter
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Update

Finally got the tank! The filter set up, water had amquel and novaqua added to detoxify the water, light set up, getting gravel and fish today (cheap hardy fish to help the cycle). I also finally got a measuring thing! My measurements were
Ammonia=.5
Nitrate= 20
Nitrite=0
(Hardness) GH=0
Chlorine=0
(Alkalinity) KH= 300 (High)
pH= 8.4 (Also high)
So there are my measurements. I am not too happy on the alkalinity and pH. So Anything to add now that its updated?
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Edit: What should my gameplan be today? Go to the store and buy gravel, and fish, and plants(?)

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post #17 of 49 Old 04-20-2013, 10:41 AM
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Finally got the tank! The filter set up, water had amquel and novaqua added to detoxify the water, light set up, getting gravel and fish today (cheap hardy fish to help the cycle). I also finally got a measuring thing! My measurements were
Ammonia=.5
Nitrate= 20
Nitrite=0
(Hardness) GH=0
Chlorine=0
(Alkalinity) KH= 300 (High)
pH= 8.4 (Also high)
So there are my measurements. I am not too happy on the alkalinity and pH. So Anything to add now that its updated?
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Edit: What should my gameplan be today? Go to the store and buy gravel, and fish, and plants(?)
First on those numbers, presumably that is the tap water on its own. Recheck the nitrate. If your tap water really is 20ppm, we can discuss ways to lower it. Confirm the GH being 0 and the KH being 300ppm with the municipal water folks. This is a bit odd.

First thing to do is plant the tank, so decide on the substrate, and get some plants. Floating are ideal especially in new tanks as they grow fast and therefore use more nutrients including ammonia/ammonium.

On the substrate, either fine gravel or sand is best. If you intend substrate fish like corys, sand is what you should get. I use basic play sand. A 50 pound bag costs a few dollars from stores like Home Depot or Lowe's.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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First on those numbers, presumably that is the tap water on its own. Recheck the nitrate. If your tap water really is 20ppm, we can discuss ways to lower it. Confirm the GH being 0 and the KH being 300ppm with the municipal water folks. This is a bit odd.

First thing to do is plant the tank, so decide on the substrate, and get some plants. Floating are ideal especially in new tanks as they grow fast and therefore use more nutrients including ammonia/ammonium.

On the substrate, either fine gravel or sand is best. If you intend substrate fish like corys, sand is what you should get. I use basic play sand. A 50 pound bag costs a few dollars from stores like Home Depot or Lowe's.

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Wouldn't sand be harder to clean? And ok I am stocking it with cycling fish today to help the filter (since I just set up the tank lat night) so plants wouldn't hurt the cycle? And also the new numbers are
Nitrate=20
Nitrite=0
GH=0
Chlorine=0
KH= fits 180 i didnt look closely enough at the color chart and went with the latter but it is not that deep of blue.
pH=between 7.8-8.4 i say it is about 8
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Wouldn't sand be harder to clean? And ok I am stocking it with cycling fish today to help the filter (since I just set up the tank lat night) so plants wouldn't hurt the cycle? And also the new numbers are
Nitrate=20
Nitrite=0
GH=0
Chlorine=0
KH= fits 180 i didnt look closely enough at the color chart and went with the latter but it is not that deep of blue.
pH=between 7.8-8.4 i say it is about 8
No, do not put fish in a new tank. The plants are put in first, to avoid a "cycle" that will otherwise harm fish.

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Vancouver, BC, Canada

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #20 of 49 Old 04-20-2013, 02:46 PM Thread Starter
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Umm

I had no choice. My sister bought "final sale fish"
1 green tiger barb (as small as the danio so very very young)
3 platys (about an inchpretty grown)
3 zebra danio (about 4 cm but pretty grown as well if i had to guess)
-.- no plants. no decoration. What do i do. I have to put the fish in. I asked the store no refunds or "give-backs" for that matter

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