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Should I add anything to this stocking?
Old 04-17-2013, 08:35 PM   #11
 
The problem is my snail forum doesnt get a ton of traffic and I feed them daily so that shouldnt be a problem :D
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:36 PM   #12
 
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The problem is my snail forum doesnt get a ton of traffic and I feed them daily so that shouldnt be a problem :D
I'm quite certain those that did have problems fed daily. But no matter - you'll figure it out, that much I am sure
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:39 AM   #13
 
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If the Betta is a male, as I would assume it is, I would not add other fish, like the Glowlight Tetra. This can go wrong in one or both of two ways.

First way. Betta are naturally territorial, and brightly coloured fish can annoy them. Regardless of this, a Betta will attempt to eat small linear fish; I had one that ate neons easily. Even if it can't manage to, it will send out signals (allomones) to the other fish, and that will stress them.

Second way. Betta are naturally sedate, barely swimming, and they have long flowing fins. All characins (tetra, etc) have lots of teeth, and they like using them. The tempatation of a fish like a Betta is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Tetra like neons, glowlights, etc have been known to become real terrors at fin nipping fish like Betta, angelfish, etc. And here too, even if they don't actually bite, they are sending out chemical allomones that the Betta can read, and it will be continually stressed.

I am in the majority group of aquarists who view Betta as non-community fish. They are best on their own in a well planted tank. Snails are fine. Shrimp can work, though many members report Betta devouring shrimp, in whole or part. Substrate fish may work, depending, but I wouldn't.

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Old 04-18-2013, 11:51 AM   #14
 
Well is there a way to test the Betta? Glowlights aren't super bright thats why I was steering towards them and away from the neons ...

I have never had a betta in with anything but guppies.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:57 AM   #15
 
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Well is there a way to test the Betta? Glowlights aren't super bright thats why I was steering towards them and away from the neons ...

I have never had a betta in with anything but guppies.
"Testing" any fish is not advisable. All fish have their inherent behaviours and traits, programmed by nature over years of evolution. It is wise to understand these and provide for them accordingly, rather than attempting to experiment or push the envelope to see if this or that works.

It is true that some fish don't seem to adhere to the mold, and why this is the case is not fully understood. All we can be certain of is the scientific evidence of each species, such as I have outlined in my previous post. If the aquarist follows that, the fish will unquestionably be healthy. If that is not followed, the fish will almost certainly be under stress, and a fish responds to stress in various ways. But all stress leads to a weakened fish, of that there is no doubt.

You might find some useful information in my article on stress:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...um-fish-98852/

Understanding the inherent traits of any species of fish and providing what the fish requires is paramount to success.

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Old 04-18-2013, 12:58 PM   #16
 
My fish lives alone other than his snail I am just still doing research I know a Betta's natural habits ... And I would not say I am teasing the fish at all...

I had originally planned 3 ADF to be in the tank but that seemed problematic as well.

I do believe that SOME Betta can be kept in community tanks so that is just a difference in beliefs ... Not a matter of my fish choices

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Old 04-18-2013, 01:17 PM   #17
 
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My fish lives alone other than his snail I am just still doing research I know a Betta's natural habits ... And I would not say I am teasing the fish at all...

I had originally planned 3 ADF to be in the tank but that seemed problematic as well.

I do believe that SOME Betta can be kept in community tanks so that is just a difference in beliefs ... Not a matter of my fish choices
It sounds as if you may have missed my point, so permit me to explain if I can.

Each species of fish has specific inherent behaviours and traits that we absolutely cannot change. These behaviours/traits will be seen in the majority of the species, so they are known as the norm for that species. Ichthyologists studying a species over decades have been able to identify these, and we use them as our guides before acquiring any fish. There is no other way to predict the probable outcome.

An individual fish may not stay within this norm, just as a dog may be different from the norm for its breed, or people come to that. The Boston bombing is a prime example; the norm do not engage in such actions, but there is a (thankfully) small percentage of the race that do not follow the norm.

The problem is, that none of us knows if this fish or that fish is going to be different, or if it is going to stay "normal." The wise aquarist assumes the norm for the species, and doesn't test (not tease, test which was the word you used initially), simply because the "odd" fish is less likely to be encountered.

Many aquarists have no idea of the amount of stress they subject their fish too when the "norm" is not provided for. This doesn't mean that aquarist "A" may not have apparent success going against the norm; but it does mean that it is taking a big risk with not only the Betta but the tetra [in this specific case]. It is better to assume the norm. And as I said, we cannot change this, ever. Why a particular fish when placed in un-natural surroundings does not react normally is something we do not fully uinderstand, but we do know it causes stress. And if you read the article I liknked, you will appreciate how dangerous a risk that is for any fish.

Hope this makes a bit more sense.

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Old 04-18-2013, 01:20 PM   #18
 
Well in my situation what would YOU do? I love having my boy in the 10 gallon, I keep the tank at 80 and he totally ignores the snail. I do not want to stress him but I also do not want to divide the tank because I know he likes the additional room to swim.

If I said test him I did not mean with a fish in the tank ... I meant in one of those little plastic boxes they use at the pet store ... I do fully understand what you are saying.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:00 PM   #19
 
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Well in my situation what would YOU do? I love having my boy in the 10 gallon, I keep the tank at 80 and he totally ignores the snail. I do not want to stress him but I also do not want to divide the tank because I know he likes the additional room to swim.

If I said test him I did not mean with a fish in the tank ... I meant in one of those little plastic boxes they use at the pet store ... I do fully understand what you are saying.
I would leave him in his wonderful environment, because it is just that--wonderful. He is not stressed, and he is able to "be himself" and that means he will be healthier and should live a normal lifespan. He is a lucky Betta.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:02 PM   #20
 
Well I will do another Snail or 2 since that has proven it does not stress him ... And maybe 6 shrimp and If that goes over well it will remain as is and if it doesn't ... Then I won't get any more.
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