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post #21 of 28 Old 08-21-2009, 02:19 PM
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Okay. If I add one capful of Seachem a day, (this tank is 35 gal long) adding these fish as I said, but instead of every Friday, adding them everyday, would it be okay? I would add the seachem one day, let the tank run for 24 hours, add it again the next day, and add the hatchets, mollies and platies. then the next day add it and some more fish, ect. This would be okay, correct?
You add the biological supplement just before you put fish in. It is live bacteria and it will immediately colonize surfaces and look for food--ammonia from the fish. Nitrosomonas bacteria consume the ammonia, converting it into nitrite, and the nirtospira bacteria gobble that up, converting it to nitrate. Your pwc dilutes the nitrate whihc is only toxic at very large amounts. The bacteria have to have food, and if there is more they will multiply by binary division which they can do in 7-18 hours, so every day you will have double the bacteria that were in there the day before--provided they have ammonia and nitrite, which the fish will provide we can be assured.

As for amount, I think it is 1 capful per 10 gallons on day one, then 1 capful per 20 gallons on each of the following 6 days. I would double this, it can't hurt.

If you can manage keeping the fish alive in the old setup while you move them day by day, fine. It will ease your mind, so go for it.

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What if as I introduce them to the new tank, I keep them in larger plastic bins, treated with Seachem and have small disposable filters on them? I would definately keep them separated according to agression. Also, are all of these fish fairly hardy?

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What if as I introduce them to the new tank, I keep them in larger plastic bins, treated with Seachem and have small disposable filters on them? I would definately keep them separated according to agression. Also, are all of these fish fairly hardy?
I wouldn't do the separation bit. Yes, some of these fish are basically not compatible with some of the others, but at this point that is the lesser concern. And your bacteria in separate bins with individual filters...not good in my view. I assume you realize that very shortly you are going to have to divide several of these fish to their own tank or give them to a store or another aquarist who can manage them. There are fish in this group that would, if they were in normal good health, have made a meal of the pencilfish and hatchets, and depending upon their size the mollies and platys, long before now. But the immediate problem is keeping them alive now.

No, most of them are not particularly hardy; but it is amazing how the will to live carries them through adversity. Of course, we can't tell what irreperable damage has already been done internally. Some fish can tolerate toxins for quite a time until the system just quits, even after things are made right.

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Okay. I may be going to pick up the gravel and Seachem tonight. We /may/ be able to pick up most of the fish tomorrow, and all the ones we can get will be some of the the less agressive ones. I will be rinsing the gravel very well and placing it into the tank tank tonight with water treated for cholorine and chloramine using our usual water conditioner. I will let the tank run with the treated water tonight, and tomorrow if we can go get the fish, I will be adding the Seachem (five cap-fulls?) right after introducing the first fish. I know how to bag fish, and will be letting them float for 10 minutes before opening the bags, clipping them to the side of the tank, and removing water from in the bag, and adding it from the aquarium. I will be doing this until I feel comfortable with the amount of water I've replaced, and then I will be netting them into the tank. This is such a major amount of stress on my part. I'm starting my freshman year of high school in three days. Does the above plan sound manageable? I'll probably be getting the Mollies, Platies, RTS, Angel, Honey, maybe the pencils and the snail. I'll add the Seachem to the tank housing the rest of the fish, and continue with my water changes, but I will be doing them every-other day and adding two cap-fulls every day for a week and then one for three days. I probably won't be able to take the others until I get the $20 the lady I babysit for owes me but she's been a little low on money lately. Hopefully I can watch my brothers for some more money soon. (I have to pay for a portion of the gas my mum uses to take me places.)

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Okay. I may be going to pick up the gravel and Seachem tonight. We /may/ be able to pick up most of the fish tomorrow, and all the ones we can get will be some of the the less agressive ones. I will be rinsing the gravel very well and placing it into the tank tank tonight with water treated for cholorine and chloramine using our usual water conditioner. I will let the tank run with the treated water tonight, and tomorrow if we can go get the fish, I will be adding the Seachem (five cap-fulls?) right after introducing the first fish. I know how to bag fish, and will be letting them float for 10 minutes before opening the bags, clipping them to the side of the tank, and removing water from in the bag, and adding it from the aquarium. I will be doing this until I feel comfortable with the amount of water I've replaced, and then I will be netting them into the tank. This is such a major amount of stress on my part. I'm starting my freshman year of high school in three days. Does the above plan sound manageable? I'll probably be getting the Mollies, Platies, RTS, Angel, Honey, maybe the pencils and the snail. I'll add the Seachem to the tank housing the rest of the fish, and continue with my water changes, but I will be doing them every-other day and adding two cap-fulls every day for a week and then one for three days. I probably won't be able to take the others until I get the $20 the lady I babysit for owes me but she's been a little low on money lately. Hopefully I can watch my brothers for some more money soon. (I have to pay for a portion of the gas my mum uses to take me places.)
I think your plan is very good. And I agree with first moving the smaller fish you've listed; frankly, they will be the least trouble as they will get along with each other. The others are to varying degrees predatory (even angels are known to consider small fish as food) although if still small in size this will be less of a problem for the present. There are water parameter issues down the road, but first things first.

Good plan though, and I wish you good luck. I really do think this will work; the only unknown is the extent of damage already done, but none of us can turn back the clock. Let us know how it turns out.

Regards, Byron.

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The angel is the size of a quarter at the largest. I'm surprised it's even still alive. I'll update later if I get my gravel and everything running. Thank you for everyones help, especially you, Byron.

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Okay, so my mum had a fit today and were gonna have to 'cycle' my tank for three days before I can add fish. She also had a fit about the amount of fish. My grandparents are coming over tomorrow to help get the UG hooked up. My step-father and I double-rinsed the gravel and I purchased the Seachem Stability. I won't be adding as many fish as I planned at one, due to my mum's fit. I'll probably only be adding maybe the mollie and/or platies and the angel. Then the hatchets when she gets over that. She stresses about everything. My mum and grandfather don't believe me about the Seachem so this is going to stress ME out and take longer. She also thinks by putting all these fish in here one of them is going to get a disease and kill all the others. She putting me on my last nerve. Such a stressful thing this has to be. -sigh-

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post #28 of 28 Old 08-22-2009, 03:29 PM Thread Starter
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We got everything set up today. I don't have many plants, but I have a few cave-like rocks and it's all I can afford. I'm going to be adding some of the fish on Saturday hopefully. I have to take the Seachem back. This is stressing me out. The water is treated and the tank is running. I will be adding the angel, mollies, platies and the RTS on Saturday. Other fish will be moved when I get more money.

(GOOD PERSONAL NEWS! My boy, Dillon had a safe trip back from New Mexico!)

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