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Old 02-05-2014, 10:18 PM   #31
 
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did your husband ever end up getting any fish for his 36g?
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:33 AM   #32
 
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Thanks everyone.
Ok- We did get the fish this weekend. A few Saturday, and the guppies yesterday. The plecostomus is returned to the store.
So what we have is, In the 20 tall:

The powder blue dwarf gourami, Flame gourami going to my moms this week, 2 long fin leopard danios (and are they hyper!), and 6 guppies.

In the 36 bow front:

The lady betta, 3 neons, 5 guppies, 2 angelfish, 2 clown loachs, a bala and a redtail shark (and NO silver dollars) As they grow, we will get a larger tank size.

I will keep you informed. Also, I have some various seashells from the craft ( not pet) section. Would it be safe to add them to the 20 g tank?

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Your pup is quite the cutie! She looks like a lab. Sunfish are pretty neat fish. I'm surprised they don't chase you away from their nests!
Thank You! Carrie is a flat-coated retriever. She just turned 11 in January. I think with all the beds we get in the summer, it looks like the surface of the moon, the sunfish are only worried about chasing the other fish and avoiding the bass. I caught a 17 inch bass only about 6 feet from the shore 2 years ago. She was full of roe, so I sent her back to make more!
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:06 AM   #33
 
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Very happy to hear this.

So what we have is, In the 20 tall:

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The powder blue dwarf gourami, Flame gourami going to my moms this week, 2 long fin leopard danios (and are they hyper!), and 6 guppies.
You need at least 4 more danios. They are shoaling fish.

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In the 36 bow front:

The lady betta, 3 neons, 5 guppies, 2 angelfish, 2 clown loachs, a bala and a redtail shark (and NO silver dollars) As they grow, we will get a larger tank size.
I'm sorry to say this tank is on its way down again.... Waay over and improperly stocked. Clown loaches, as we've said, need to be in groups of 6 or more, the same with the bala shark and neons. The angles are most likely going to eat the neons as they grow and the redtail is going to start getting aggressive in a tank of that size with that stock.

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I will keep you informed. Also, I have some various seashells from the craft ( not pet) section. Would it be safe to add them to the 20 g tank?
These are likely to alter your water chemistry, I personally wouldn't.




My biggest suggestion at this point due to the stocking so quickly and over/improperly stocking, is that you go purchase two large bottles of Tetra SafeStart and put an entire container in each tank. You should also invest in a large bottle of Seachem Prime. You're going to need it. I wish you the best but that 36 is set up to fail and both tanks were stocked much too quickly without being properly cycled. You can either try to cycle with TSS or do it the old fashioned way (IE daily water changes to keep ammonia down) but these fish won't do well in an uncycled tank, regardless of the aggression and stocking issues.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:04 AM   #34
 
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Very happy to hear this.
Me too!

You need at least 4 more danios. They are shoaling fish.

How many danios would be acceptable? 4 total? I dont want to overstock!

I'm sorry to say this tank is on its way down again.... Waay over and improperly stocked. Clown loaches, as we've said, need to be in groups of 6 or more, the same with the bala shark and neons. The angles are most likely going to eat the neons as they grow and the redtail is going to start getting aggressive in a tank of that size with that stock.

The lone surviving neon (who teamed up with the 2 new ones right away) and the Betta went into the 36 Friday. Wouldn't adding more fish be an issue? The angel fish are about 1.5 inches each now, he feels we have a year before there should be any issues.(?) He will consider another bala, the one we have was with the clowns at the pet store and "dances" with them. (Our house is only 900 sq ft and It is beginning to like to have the fish he wants safe and happy,we will be wall to wall tanks!)

All I have ever really wanted is a blue Gourami, a couple guppies and a female betta. I guess I can rehome everyone to make his fish happy .

These are likely to alter your water chemistry, I personally wouldn't.

Ok, that is why I asked.


My biggest suggestion at this point due to the stocking so quickly and over/improperly stocking, is that you go purchase two large bottles of Tetra SafeStart and put an entire container in each tank. You should also invest in a large bottle of Seachem Prime. You're going to need it. I wish you the best but that 36 is set up to fail and both tanks were stocked much too quickly without being properly cycled. You can either try to cycle with TSS or do it the old fashioned way (IE daily water changes to keep ammonia down) but these fish won't do well in an uncycled tank, regardless of the aggression and stocking issues.
As for cycling, We have the Prime and a safe start from Aqueon that we used. I looked up everything I could on cycling before we got the fish and did what I could. The 20 has had the 2 gouramis , betta, and neon in all along before I moved the neon and betta Friday and added 2 danios and 2 guppies Saturday.

Should I add the prime every time I do a partial daily water change in the 36? I am trying.........
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:38 AM   #35
 
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YES is the short answer. Add Prime with ALL water changes. If you are adding tap water that has chlorine in it... them you need to neutralize that chlorine.
The long answer is still YES... but how much Prime? Some say treat the volume of water that you are adding. Others say treat the volume of the tank. Either way, Prime can be used up to 5 X the volume (in an Emergency) so a 20% water change which is 1/5th of the tank would still be fine if you treated the full tank, 5 X the dose. I don't do that. But I am generous with it. If I spill I don't care because I know I'm safe with an overage.
And lastly, It also neutralizes for 24 hours, Ammonia, Ammonium, Nitrites and Nitrates, I do believe, which is enough time for the good bacteria associated with each stage to catch up.
It doesn't hurt to test and know what your tap water has in it. And be careful of your city doing a chlorine dump in spring/summer, something to do with bacterial blooms and algae in the water source. They won't tell you it's been/being done... they all do it. But if you EVER turn on the water and SMELL the chlorine instantly, or more than normal... bump up the Prime (up to 5x), skip the water change for a few days/a week, or let that water sit out in a bucket for 24 hours before using. (This one scares me, my biggest fear, because it IS possible to kill your tank from nothing you did wrong.) Remember it is only things done "big" and "fast" that can hurt a tank and your fish. (Big temperature change, Big PH shift, Big amount of Chlorine, Scrubbing out the entire tank (ya I used to do that!) stuff like that). Think and Go slow and cautious and in more moderate amounts so as to not be felt as so drastic a change.
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:42 PM   #36
 
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YES is the short answer. Add Prime with ALL water changes. If you are adding tap water that has chlorine in it... then you need to neutralize that chlorine.
The long answer is still YES... but how much Prime? Some say treat the volume of water that you are adding. Others say treat the volume of the tank. Either way, Prime can be used up to 5 X the volume (in an Emergency) so a 20% water change which is 1/5th of the tank would still be fine if you treated the full tank, 5 X the dose.
And lastly, It also neutralizes for 24 hours, Ammonia, Ammonium, Nitrites and Nitrates, I do believe, which is enough time for the good bacteria associated with each stage to catch up.
It doesn't hurt to test and know what your tap water has in it. Think and Go slow and cautious and in more moderate amounts so as to not be felt as so drastic a change.

Thanks for the input. I will do just that. I am careful to make small changes like temp changes over several days and not change the filter the same day I clean the gravel and sides of the tank and all.

My water is well water, softened. VERY high iron , as in orange sink and hair high, if it isn't filtered through the softener but it tests fine when filtered.. No chlorine issues. We checked that out before beginning the tanks.

I am learning.....

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Old 02-10-2014, 04:56 PM   #37
 
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Your water softner will exchange magnesium and iron for sodium. Water will be softer but I'm not sure what effect the extra sodium ions will have in your tank. Probaly you'll be fine but you might want to research.
Good luck!
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:55 PM   #38
 
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I'm glad your tank(s) are doing better now.

As others have said, your husband is still WAY overstocking his tank.

I'll be blunt. I would not have sold you those fish for the 36g.
Maybe the angelfish and the RT shark, but I would have recommended getting that tank cycled first.
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:58 AM   #39
 
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We're all learning - never stop asking questions! You seem to be doing the best you can to correct what was a very bad situation when you found us here - kudos for that!

It's sad that you can't convince your husband to stock his tank properly, but I've been around here long enough to know that some people won't be convinced - no matter what evidence you provide. This seems particularly true with those who have stocked poorly in the past, and feel that their "experience" to ignore the needs of their animals. :( You (and we!) have given him the best input possible, hopefully he'll make the necessary changes before those little clowns become stunted, or before the 'shark' becomes agressive. . .

It sounds like you're doing your best to get back on the right track with your tank - kudos to you for taking the time to read through, and learn from, all of the fantastic input you've gotten on this thread!
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Old 02-11-2014, 11:36 AM   #40
 
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How many danios would be acceptable? 4 total? I dont want to overstock!
You need to have a school of at least 6 if you want to keep them.

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The lone surviving neon (who teamed up with the 2 new ones right away) and the Betta went into the 36 Friday. Wouldn't adding more fish be an issue? The angel fish are about 1.5 inches each now, he feels we have a year before there should be any issues.(?) He will consider another bala, the one we have was with the clowns at the pet store and "dances" with them. (Our house is only 900 sq ft and It is beginning to like to have the fish he wants safe and happy,we will be wall to wall tanks!)
Adding more fish will be an issue but the neons won't be happy in a group of 3, they also need at least 6. The angel will be big enough to eat the neons in a few months if the betta or shark don't get them first. Are you aware how large Bala sharks get? They get bigger than the clown loaches. 13-16 inches and won't do well on their own due to the schooling factor. To keep JUST the bala and clowns happy in the proper sized schools, you will need at least a 6x3x2 foot tank (280 gallons) You could keep the angel in here with them as well but we're talking at least double filtration capacity to handle the bioload.

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All I have ever really wanted is a blue Gourami, a couple guppies and a female betta. I guess I can rehome everyone to make his fish happy .
Why don't you get the betta a tank of her own? 2.5 gallon tanks, as I've said, are 14 dollars at Petsmart and an Azoo Palm Filter is 8 dollars on Dr. Fosters and Smith.

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As for cycling, We have the Prime and a safe start from Aqueon that we used. I looked up everything I could on cycling before we got the fish and did what I could. The 20 has had the 2 gouramis , betta, and neon in all along before I moved the neon and betta Friday and added 2 danios and 2 guppies Saturday.
It takes 2-6 weeks to properly cycle a tank. Aqueon and Tetra Safe Start are not the same thing.

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Should I add the prime every time I do a partial daily water change in the 36? I am trying.........
Yes. I suggest that you test the water in the tank every day and do 50-75% water changes if you have any ammonia or nitrite readings or if your nitrates are above 20. Check again after the water change to make sure they are gone.
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