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Old 01-31-2014, 09:58 AM   #11
 
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Everyone is so great! Thank you! I feel better knowing we are not alone or the only one to have issues.

We don't have city water, its softened well water.

Should I leave the LED light on or off? Should we not feed for a few days?

I am wondering what is a good brand of readily available food, too. We have been using Tetramin. And just what is the proper amount and frequency to feed? Every body we talk to has a different recommendation! We feed a little pinch twice a day. Alternating flake and dried bloodworms.

We are looking into a 55 gallon soon. We just need to find the space/$$ for it.

I won't give up yet! Thank you for being here!

(Our betta is a female, btw)
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Old 01-31-2014, 09:58 AM   #12
 
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Well we have learned we should have learned more before we started this adventure. But, we already have the tank set and stocked. We have a 20 gal high. 2 dwarf gourami , 2 guppies and their 7 week old babies (separated in the floating breeder), 1 neon, pleco, 2 clown loach, angelica cat, lace cat, red tail and bala shark, 1 female betta, and an angel fish left. We lost our silver dollar, a male guppy, and a neon in the last 2 days. Our tank has been set since early December.

We have Ich. We brought the temp to 82 over 2 days slowly and added aquarium salt.

What next?

We lost our one clown loach (he jumped up the filter waterfall) and our powder blue gourami 2 week or so ago and replaced them but got 2 loaches instead of 1 and covered the gap.


Thank you and any advise where to go from here is needed!
That tank is WAY too overstocked, that Pleco needs to go. You need 75 gallons for just a pleco.
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Old 01-31-2014, 10:03 AM   #13
 
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My husband wants to get another tank, transfer all the fish that survive to the new tank, clean everything in the old tank, and try it again. We would use the smaller tank for the smaller fish (guppy and tetra) later.
You're gonna need a BIG tank, we're talking over 100 gallons. Neon Tetra aren't suitable to live in a 10 gallon, unfortunately. It doesn't provide a shoal enough room to swim like they need to.

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He really wants Clown Loach, Angel fish, and another Silver Dollar. I really love the Gourami and guppies.He told me has had good luck in the past with tanks. I have had ok luck with one tank and lousy luck with another. Neither of us have had fish in over 5 years.
Angelfish and Silver Dollars aren't good to cohabitate, the Silver Dollars will likely cause the Angels problems because of their fins. Silver Dollars also need to be kept in groups of 6 or more, they are shoaling fish. Angels can be kept in a mated pair in a 75 gallon or you can keep 5 in a 75 gallon. That's a call on your part but if they aren't a pair, you need at least 5. The Gourami can't live together, one will have to go or you'll need yet another tank. The guppies can be kept in the 20 gallon, as stated previously.

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If we would have left the guppies in the community, I know the others would have kept the population under control because they kept trying to eat the fry when they were in the "playpen". Could that have stressed out the others to much? It is just so odd that everyone seemed fine until this last weekend. we have only lost 3 in 2 months and one of those had jumped out. How long would it take to have issues show up?
Issues with what? Aggression? Not long with your stock. Expect a disaster any day now.

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We have ammonia testing strips , but we will look for the kit you recommend. Plus we turned up the temp to 84. We don't want to move it up to fast do we?
Test strips are unreliable due to inaccuracy. An API Master Test Kit is what we all use and swear by. They are a little pricey, but unless you check your water 2x a day everyday, you won't need a new one until it expires in 3 years. You should move the temp up no more than 2 degrees a day.

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Its very sad, we really get attached to these guys!
I know it's hard, we've all been there. Sometimes we just need to do what's best for the animals in question, though.


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PS- Congrats on the daughter to be! Never had a daughter, But I had 6 sons! Children are such a blessing!
Thank you! This is my husband and I's first. It's been a scary experience, especially because nobody is telling me what I'm supposed to be feeling and what I need to be doing for her, but we're figuring it out and I'm almost done! 34 weeks 1 day today. 6 more days and I can come off bedrest (I was having contractions) and I'll be walking a good mile a day, if not more. I'm ready for her to come, I am undergoing medical treatments and I don't like that she is in there being potentially affected by it.

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Should I leave the LED light on or off? Should we not feed for a few days?
I would leave the light off to reduce stress. Are you asking about not feeding to help keep your parameters in check?

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I am wondering what is a good brand of readily available food, too. We have been using Tetramin. And just what is the proper amount and frequency to feed? Every body we talk to has a different recommendation! We feed a little pinch twice a day. Alternating flake and dried bloodworms.
New Life Spectrum (NLS) is a favorite in the fishkeeping community. You shouldn't feed bloodworms everyday, more so as a treat. General rule of thumb is what your fish will eat in 5 minutes.

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We are looking into a 55 gallon soon. We just need to find the space/$$ for it. I won't give up yet! Thank you for being here!
Unfortunately, as I stated in my other post, a 55 won't cut it with all of those fish. The 20 won't last until you can afford the 55, either. It'd really be in the fishes best interest for you to rehome or return them until you can get a large tank and then we could help you stock it to your liking. As we've all said - WE'VE BEEN THERE!! Everyone has to start somewhere and unfortunately pet stores don't properly educate, they just want their money's worth.

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(Our betta is a female, btw)
Petsmart sells a 2.5 gallon tank for $15, a small filter would be about $10, a heater is about $10 and a light isn't necessary at first, or you could use a desk lamp. It would be an appropriate size for a single betta fish. It would solve that bit of the problem, at least!
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Old 01-31-2014, 04:06 PM   #14
 
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here you are
what a sad sad situation you are in…however….don't give up
you are in very good hands,and very well taken care of…
i sincerely hope you can pull something out of this.
we all start somewhere ,and i for one made horrendous mistakes in the beginning!!!
if i can pull through so can you.
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:13 PM   #15
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I would move the temp up to 86 asap, the parasites breed much much faster at 84, and is thus capable of killing the fish much faster :( at 86, they reach a limit and start to die off due to being unable to keep up with the reproductive rate demanded by the temperature :)
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Old 01-31-2014, 10:42 PM   #16
 
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I agree with Flint. If you want to keep your current fish, you'll need a tank much larger than a 55 gal. This is why we recommend returning what you have and starting over. You'll be rather stressed to provide what all of these fish need.

I know your husband likes the clown loach and the silver dollar, but those are big fish with big requirements. You wouldn't get a horse if you lived in a townhouse, would you? If you like the general shape of those fish, we can recommend you fish that look like them, but don't get as massive. We're not joking when we say these fish get too large for a normal sized tank.



This is Marge. She's almost a foot long and lives in a 6 foot tank. This is what clown loaches grow up to be. Silver dollars will be like CD's swimming in a tank. Since they are shoaling, they also need a 6 foot tank to accommodate all of those fish.

The angelfish in the 55 is another story. It's a great idea. There are a few people on the forum that keep angelfish shoals in a 55 gal. You do have to work your other stock around the angelfish. You can't have other semi-aggressive fish like gourami or fish small enough to eat like neons, but there are plenty of other options.

As to your well water, using softened water in aquariums can prove to be an issue. We've had members before that had odd issues because of the very strange mix of ions. If you can bypass the softener for water changes, that would be best.
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:05 AM   #17
 
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Thank You everyone!

I think we are over the worse. No more losses since Saturday.

We have the 2 dwarf gouramis, the angelfish, lady betta, a neon tetra and the pleco left ( a giggle for you, when I spell check plecostomus it recommends Pentecostals!). The tetra and pleco still have spots and are quarantined. We cleaned everything in the 20, added the Prime, replaced the bio bag , temp came up to 86 this weekend, and did a 50% water change . We always use a digital cooking thermometer to check the replacement water.

We picked up the biggest tank we could afford and had room for- a 36 gallon bow front 30x15x21. Our space is limited for area that doesn't have big temp fluctuations. We will have his and hers tanks. The 20 will be the hers. The angel, neon and pleco (if they live) will go it his 36. The 20 has a Whisper 20 filter, and air stone, and an Aqueon 100w heater.

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I love my powder blue Gourami and betta. The flame Gourami just started picking on the Betta so he may go bye bye. My mom wants a fish now so would the 1 Gourami work in a 10 gallon for her? I need suggestions on what is the best mix and numbers for the 20. I would like my guppies back. I never thought I would like them so much! Plus, what is a good choice for a bottom feeder/algae eater? Are they really necessary?


Also, I have 2 decorations that have hollow spots up in them the fish like to get into and my husband thinks they can get stuck. If they can get in them, shouldn't they be able to get themselves out? We found the missing loach in one.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:03 PM   #18
 
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We picked up the biggest tank we could afford and had room for- a 36 gallon bow front 30x15x21. Our space is limited for area that doesn't have big temp fluctuations. We will have his and hers tanks. The 20 will be the hers. The angel, neon and pleco (if they live) will go it his 36. The 20 has a Whisper 20 filter, and air stone, and an Aqueon 100w heater.
The pleco will get too large for the 36, how about exchanging him for a bristlenose pleco if you really want one?

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I love my powder blue Gourami and betta. The flame Gourami just started picking on the Betta so he may go bye bye. My mom wants a fish now so would the 1 Gourami work in a 10 gallon for her? I need suggestions on what is the best mix and numbers for the 20. I would like my guppies back. I never thought I would like them so much! Plus, what is a good choice for a bottom feeder/algae eater? Are they really necessary?
Betta and Gourami aren't compatible, you will likely end up with one killing the other. The Gourami would do fine in a 10 gallon alone but will most likely be aggressive to any other tankmates in a tank that small. Bottom feeders/Algae eaters aren't necessary at all. If you want one, look into nerite snails, (they come in patterns!) bristlenose pleco and otos. Otos can only be added to established tanks, however.


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Also, I have 2 decorations that have hollow spots up in them the fish like to get into and my husband thinks they can get stuck. If they can get in them, shouldn't they be able to get themselves out? We found the missing loach in one.
Fish actually can get themselves stuck in ornaments, if you have doubt, take it out.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:05 PM   #19
 
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Hi! Welcome to the forum.

I'd just like to chime in with agreement to what everyone else has posted. You have some major stocking issues, and if you want a successful tank with fish that will be comfortable and live long healthy lives, you're going to need to rehome some fish. Especially the pleco. Those fish are literal poop machines. They eat constantly, and so are constantly pooping.

This in turn leads to a lot of ammonia building up in the tank, which affects your bioload. Not even a single common pleco can be housed in a 36 gallon, as they have such high rates of pooping + they will grow huge. It is a myth that fish will only grow to the size of their containers. (I could put a puppy in a dog carrier and leave him there. Feed and water him in there, and never take him out. he will still grow. His growth will be misshapen and possibly stunted, but he cannot stop the growth of his own body.)



Silver dollars also get huge, and unless you have a 100gallon+ tank, they will not be comfortable. They literally look like CDs when fully grown.

Sorry for this bad news, and I understand it may contradict your previous experiences with fishkeeping. But properly caring for fish can be a delicate process, and requires a lot of thought and responsibility on the part of the owner. Not all fish are the same. Some fish prefer quiet, still, acidic waters, and other fish prefer the fast flow of a river and demand the cleanliness that provides. Some fish need a lot of space and will become violent to other fish if denied this, and some fish are so timid that they can die of stress if not housed with similar tankmates.

It's a bit of work to perfect a happy tank, with an ecosystem and fish that can inhabit a tank together. But it's so, so worth it to see a perfectly balanced aquarium.

I wish you luck. The majority of us have started off on the same rocky foot as you and made grievous errors that cost the lives of our fish, but we've come to this community and grown from it.
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Old 02-04-2014, 03:16 AM   #20
 
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This forum is a great place to learn about all aspects of fishkeeping. I am forever greatful to the awesome people here who have helped me to leaen so much about this fascinating hobby.
Welcome to the forum!
For your 36 gal, think about kuhli loaches instead of clowns. Just remember that loaches are very sensetive to unstable water quality, so please wait till your tank is well established before adding loaches. And if you add fish before the tank is cycled, you willhave to do frequent watre changes to keep the fish alive. As you stand now I would reccommend 25% daily changes, especially if your fish show spots or finrot, fungus or fuzz. In pure water and healthy stock levels most fish will not be harmed by bacteria or fungus... in bad water or overcrowded conditions its a huge issue.
Also, hard water makes better aquarium water than soft water, especially if it is artificialy softened with salt. Bypass the softner for your change water if its possible.
Good luck with your tanks!
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