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post #11 of 15 Old 05-09-2009, 07:05 PM
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upper Fish: Platy
lower Fish: Swordtail
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temperature needs to be regulated...plus, how did you acclimate them?

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post #12 of 15 Old 05-10-2009, 09:37 AM
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I thought for the most part people in this forum were against these products because all you were adding was dead matter or basically an ammonia source. Dont take this as fact but i thought the general consus was that these products have the opportunity to do more bad then good to your tank.
I haven't had this come up before, and I've posted comments in several threads where beginners were losing fish because they didn't first cycle the tank. For 12+ years I have cycled tanks of 33g, 70g, 90g and 115g with fish and used Cycle and never lost a fish nor had any problems that could be attributed to Cycle. Besides, Cycle is not dead matter nor ammonia, it is living bacteria that immediately jumpstarts the bacteria colonization if there is ammonia present, which there is if there is a fish in the tank. Without something like Cycle (there are other brands) fish are swimming in ammonia until the bacteria get colonized to handle it, and while one small fish in a 50g tank will not have too much of a problem, the more fish there are and the smaller the water volume, the more ammonia and the longer for the nitrosomonas and nitrobacter bacteria to establish in sufficient quantity to consume the ammonia and nitrite, which equals much greater stress on the fish that weakens it and can often result in death.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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Thank you for your help!
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post #14 of 15 Old 05-11-2009, 04:29 PM
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I haven't had this come up before, and I've posted comments in several threads where beginners were losing fish because they didn't first cycle the tank. For 12+ years I have cycled tanks of 33g, 70g, 90g and 115g with fish and used Cycle and never lost a fish nor had any problems that could be attributed to Cycle. Besides, Cycle is not dead matter nor ammonia, it is living bacteria that immediately jumpstarts the bacteria colonization if there is ammonia present, which there is if there is a fish in the tank. Without something like Cycle (there are other brands) fish are swimming in ammonia until the bacteria get colonized to handle it, and while one small fish in a 50g tank will not have too much of a problem, the more fish there are and the smaller the water volume, the more ammonia and the longer for the nitrosomonas and nitrobacter bacteria to establish in sufficient quantity to consume the ammonia and nitrite, which equals much greater stress on the fish that weakens it and can often result in death.

And thats why i did fishless cylce by adding an ammonia source.
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Byron is givng advice on what Mtilton next steps should be since he has fish in the tank, and are no doubt stressed from ammonia buildup........Telling him to look fora booster for the cycle is the best direction to go for the fish and tank......Talking about fishless cycle is a great way to go, but Mtilton already is passed that stage....He needs help with fish in the tank, not a fishless cycle..........I'm sure if he gets the multi tank syndrome he will be looking NOT to make the same mistakes he made this time......Give everyone some latitude, everybody doesnt do things the same way and who is to say that they are wrong?
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