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post #11 of 35 Old 04-29-2013, 04:45 PM
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You don't want the Ammonia above 0 in a tank with fish in all honesty.
That's why others have suggested the daily water changes and adding a conditioner that detoxifies it. I would stick to that but would also suggest adding more plants. They do amazing job of filting out the ammonia as its a food source. Floating plants such as your water sprite and fast growing plants are what will do best here. Through really more plants in general. Your tank will still cycle but just in the background undetected by test and harmless to fish.

As for the amount of Prime to use I wouldn't use more then the volume of the tank at first until the ammonia is gone then back down to just the volume of water add back to the tank during the water change. You can just add it to the tank then add the new water.
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post #12 of 35 Old 04-29-2013, 04:53 PM Thread Starter
Thanks a lot. I will do bigger water changes daily and use Prime. My only worry is if the fish kill each other. How do I continue to get an ammonia supply without fish?
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I will get some Prime. Do I add it in with the water in the bucket before i put it into the tank or do I just change 15 gallons and then put enough Prime for 29 gallons? After the first use, I would assume in the bucket (new water) only. Is this correct? Also, after "nature takes its course", what do I do to keep the ammonia up to complete the cycle?( I want glass catfish, cherry barbs and Neon Tetras by the way). Stock new fish?
Boredomb has answered some of this, and I concur. As you are using buckets for the water change (as opposed to a Python connected to the tap to refill) I would add the Prime to the bucket of water.

The plants handle ammonia (and there is no nitrite) as B said.

Wait until everything is settled before acquiring any new fish. Once the tank water is settled, it may be necessary to do something about the neons. One thing you do not want is a nasty aggressive couple of fish when adding something as sensitive as Glass Catfish, they will be shredded.

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The fish might settle down once the stress factors are gone such as the ammonia. If they all die we can help you deal with that if it comes to it. I think through they will be alright if you follow the suggestion provided.

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post #15 of 35 Old 04-29-2013, 05:00 PM Thread Starter
OK. I will do 50% water changes nightly (using Prime) and monitor the Neons and do this until I get a 0 reading of Ammonia. I will remove any Neons that are injured and most likely start with a fresh batch when the tank is settled. Thanks for the advice. I will update this thread if I need more advice.
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I will get some Prime. Do I add it in with the water in the bucket before i put it into the tank or do I just change 15 gallons and then put enough Prime for 29 gallons? After the first use, I would assume in the bucket (new water) only. Is this correct? Also, after "nature takes its course", what do I do to keep the ammonia up to complete the cycle?( I want glass catfish, cherry barbs and Neon Tetras by the way). Stock new fish?
If you are bucketing it then you can add the Prime to the bucket based on the bucket volume. You can also add it to the tank and use the tank volume, either way works.

You don't need to add ammonia, that's what the fish do for you. I am not certain if you have enough plants to soak up ammonia from a lot of fish but if you are lightly stocking initially, 10 fish in a 29 gallon is good, then you should be fine. Don't add any more fish for a few weeks to let everything get settled more.

The cycle happens even though the plants may be circumventing the need for it, I did it that way, plants, 12 fish, no cycle in a couple of days. I did see some nitrite after adding too many fish at another point but it was a quick spike as the cycle still happens albeit on a much smaller scale.

I started with Cherry barbs and had no issues. I wasn't doing daily changes, just daily testing and weekly changes.

I can't address the aggressive neon issue.

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post #17 of 35 Old 04-30-2013, 02:28 PM Thread Starter
So I may have discovered the problem. I tested my tap water and the ammonia was 0.50 ppm. Basically my tap has ammonia. I was using water conditioner but I bought prime last night. There are 2 survivors and they are getting along fine now. Every ammonia test I've done for the last 2 weeks has been 0.50 ppm. Do I need to buy bottled water for water changes?? The last 2 days I am seeing nitrate. I haven't measured any nitrite since I started the cycle 2 weeks ago. Any thoughts??
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post #18 of 35 Old 04-30-2013, 02:51 PM
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Test for nitrites, just so you know, it only takes a moment.

In order to see what is happening with the ammonia, test the tank at different times after your water change. immediately after if you read 0.5ppm that is expected, the Prime will have this detoxified so it is harmless but still shows on the test. Test again a few hours later and again later or right before your next change if you are still doing them daily. You should see the ammonia drop fairly soon after adding the new water as the plants and/or biologicals soak it up. This just lets you know what is going on and you don't need to keep doing.

If you haven't checked for nitrites in two weeks and your ammonia levels have always been 0.5 and you are seeing nitrates now I think that perhaps the issue may also have been a nitrite spike, albeit small, everything adds up.

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post #19 of 35 Old 04-30-2013, 04:26 PM
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I agree. And Trav, what is the pH of your tank water and tap water? IThis too has a bearing on ammonia/ammonium. Remember to shake tap water vigorously for a few minutes before testing.

Just so you see the light at the end, the .5 ammonia in the tap is unfortunately but not trouble if it is handled correctly. A conditioner that detoxifies ammonia at the weekly [when things are normal with weekly water changes] water change will deal with the initial influx of ammonia, and by the time it becomes ineffective in a day or two the plants and bacteria will have deal with it.

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post #20 of 35 Old 04-30-2013, 05:17 PM Thread Starter
I test nitrites daily also. They have been 0 every day. My pH is 7.4
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