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My goldfish is gasping for air at PH 7.6
Old 06-21-2013, 01:30 PM   #21
 
Wow, I did not know the toxicity of the metals comes back also !!!. So it does makes a Merry go round just like the PH when you try to fix it.

THe fish was looking distressed in the 100% well water, so I did a 50% mix with RO water. He sems happy now. He ate with appetite and I am adding bacteria since I had to set up the tank again after my other fish died. That who tank was treated with the PH buffer stabilizer.

Please advise me on the ciclying oon this tank. It is 10 gallon tank with one comet fish. The water is 50% well water (not softened) and 50% RO water. It has the NovAqua Plus Water conditioner only.

I am adding STABILIZER (Nitrifying bacteria) from Seachem Brand per directions:
Rapid and Safe Establishment of Biofilter to Prevent "New Tank Syndrome" for Frshwater and Marine Tanks.

It says: New fish can introduced at anytime as long as dosage is maintained for 7 days.
I t also says I need to replace it whenever I do a water change.

For my 10 gallon newly set up with only one comet (it is a one inch fish), how much water change should I do?, how often?. How long it takes to stablish the tank?.

I do check ammonia paramenters every day and since I do 3 gallon water change, my ammonia levelsd are always zero. I always replace the bacteria at every water change. I am not sure if my ammonia level is always zero (or almost zero) because of the bacteria is working or because I keep changing the water so much.

This is how I do the water change: 1.5 gallons get flushed while using the syphon in the morning when cleaning the waste and uneaten food. And 1.5 Gallons get flushed during the same process at the evening. I feed my fish twice a day. Sometimes I use flakes but sometimes I feed peas I mash in the tank. THat makes the water very dirty. The syphon just gulps so m,uch water in so little time. So, I replace the water every time I flush it when cleaning.

Please advice is this procedure are correct or what is the correct way to do it.

Thanks again,
Virginia Holmes.
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Old 06-21-2013, 02:18 PM   #22
 
Since it is only a one inch fish you can probably get away with a 20% change once a week, but keep an eye on your levels and adjust from there. Cycling the tank can take some time, once your ammonia and nitrite is down below 0.25(ideally 0) you know that it has cycled. The more experienced fish keeps may disagree with me but I've had four one inch goldfish in a 10 gallon and it was fine with a once a week change, so glad I've got my 55 gallon tank for them, since they are not an inch anymore. Sorry to here about your fish, but glad that things are getting sorted out. Good luck with everything.
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Old 06-21-2013, 02:36 PM   #23
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Your tank has an intact nitrogen cycle already, you don't need to add bacterial supplementation. Changing the water does not negatively affect this in any way as the ammonia and nitrite oxidization bio films are stuck on the surfaces of the filter media, glass rocks etc. You could drain it 100% and rinse it out and it will would still be fine.

Your cleaning looks great and if you clean it out twice a day and suck up the crap, that goes a long way toward eliminating ammonia sources before they become ammonia sources.

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Old 06-21-2013, 03:36 PM   #24
 
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I'm taking it that this is a new tank, a 10g with the one small goldfish. If this is a correct assumption, then I would use the Stability, I have used it in new tanks, and it jump starts the bacteria. With one small fish and using Stability you will not have any ammonia or nitrite issues, guaranteed.
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Old 06-21-2013, 03:59 PM   #25
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-My fish still gasp for air. I do water change everyday to my 10 gallon tank with 2 small comets I purchased at the store 2 months ago.
I was left with the impression that the tank is at least 2 months old.

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Old 06-21-2013, 04:02 PM   #26
 
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If it has been running (with fish) for 2 months, then yes I agree there is no need to be adding bacterial supplement.

Virginia, perhaps you could clear up our confusion. I had taken it that you moved the surviving fish into this 10g and were asking how to cycle. Jeff thinks this is a tank that has been running with fish for 2 months.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:16 PM   #27
 
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I was left with the impression that the tank is at least 2 months old.

Jeff.
Yes, Jeff, I got fist comets back in April 4th. The second one I got it 1 month ago. I did notice that my fish were gasping for air even know I changed their water, but it started when I started trying to fix the PH adding Acid. The PH was about 7.5 - 7.6 and they were gasping for air. Before this episode, I was mixing soft water with RO and the never gasped for air. I just stopped doing this because it was costly to get RO water several times a week for me.

Now, I have learned from all of you. I will stock up on several 5 gallon containers in one trip and mixed with well water (no softened). I will not adjust PH and I will only use conditioner and bacterias. I will focus on cleaning and water changes.

Thanks to all. THe PH issue was driving me crazy.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:41 PM   #28
 
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If it has been running (with fish) for 2 months, then yes I agree there is no need to be adding bacterial supplement.

Virginia, perhaps you could clear up our confusion. I had taken it that you moved the surviving fish into this 10g and were asking how to cycle. Jeff thinks this is a tank that has been running with fish for 2 months.

Byron,

The 10 gallon tank started runing with one fish in April. Then I got the second fish a month ago (4 weeks). The first fish died. The surviving fish is living in the 10 gallon tank. The tank never had been runing continuously. I never knew if my tank cycled because I was recommended (by the Expert at the Pet Store) to make 25% water change daily, 50% water change weekly and 100% water change monthly.

So the tank had been empty and scrubbed with hot water at least 2 times. Not counting with this episode of my dead fish, I empy the tank again because it was treated with that PH buffer and I rinsed it, plus when the fish got fish rot, I was advised by the Pet store expert to clean the tank so once the fish be done with treatment, it does not get sick again.

I do have a 2.5 Gallon smaller tank I use as hospital if I need to. The surviving fish was there on treatment for fin rot while the other died in the just treated 10 gallon tank with the PH buffer.

I was attached to my first fish. He used to swim to the surface when I talk to him over the open top of the tank. It looked like he was a puppy wagging his tail coming to me when he saw me. . I never had fish before so I did not know they were so smart and affectionate.

I have a note for you: My daughters (7 and 5 years old) won each one a goldfish at the school festival in February. I had no experience caring for fish. I put them in the 10 gallon tank with "softened water only" and TOP FIN water conditioner. I bought goldfish flakes and I bought a air stone. They died in 2 weeks. I never used bacterias or filter. I was changing 50% water once a week. It does not seem bad, but they died.

My kids begged for new fish, so I got really serious about it. So, I went and got only one fish in April (he died). I started measuring paramenters and I got confused with the PH. You know the rest of the story. I have one fish and I want it live the life it was meant to be.

I hope I clarify any confusion.

Virginia Holmes

P.S. I wrote a letter to PETA and to the School Principal for giving away live animals as prizes. After that Festival, I hear that most fishes died. A fish is a serious matter. Because it is a 1 inch fish, does not mean their lives are worthless. Animals are not toys or disposable.
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:09 AM   #29
 
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That clears things up.

It is unfortunate that the advice from the store was so inaccurate, about doing a 100% cleaning every month. This destroys everything you need in the way of bacteria.

In practice, the longer an aquarium is running, and assuming it is "balanced" to begin with and regular water changes are being done, the more stable it should be. All life on this planet depends upon bacteria, and fortunately the good ones appear where needed and do their thing without interference from us. We should encourage them, not do "100% cleanings" to destroy them. And this you have now learned, as we all had to learn.

If you aren't tired of reading, here's my little article on bacteria which may help in understanding how complex it really is, and how crucial to a healthy aquarium:
Bacteria in the Freshwater Aquarium

There are other articles in our reference section that may provide assistance on various aspects of keeping fish. In time, all of this becomes second nature.

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Old 06-22-2013, 03:55 PM   #30
 
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Virginia, I'm so glad you ended up here and asked your questions!! Believe it or not we all started this way.... I can't believe what I have unknowingly put my fish thru! What they amazingly survived! And yet many did not!
If you believe that while in your care that you should do your best for them, give them the biggest home you can, you are modeling for the kids and you will succeed. Sadly death is a part of their education even tho we don't want to think about it. And sometimes its just happens no matter what we do. Read lots!, ask lots of questions! pop into the chat room if you need help at night, that's when it's busiest. You are on the right track!!
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