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post #11 of 25 Old 04-12-2010, 08:18 PM
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since you are restarting....unless you can do plants, which would be the quickest and easiest.....I would choose the fish-less cycle.....

is there any more information you could provide for us on your current set-up???

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post #12 of 25 Old 04-13-2010, 04:42 AM
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Anyone else think its strange to have deaths within 24hrs? I wouldnt think ammonia could build up that quickly to kill off fish so fast.

Maybe a cleaning chemical or the tank not rinsed out properly before filling up? Just another suggestion.
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Anyone else think its strange to have deaths within 24hrs? I wouldnt think ammonia could build up that quickly to kill off fish so fast.

Maybe a cleaning chemical or the tank not rinsed out properly before filling up? Just another suggestion.
There are several inter-related factors. The fish are stressed due to the change from store tank to home tank, and stress weakens their immune system and may cause other internal problems. Several things cause this stress, and each is cumulative; temperature changes from tank to bag to tank, even minor changes in hardness and pH, possible chemicals in either tank, different environment--brighter light can stress out fish, as can open environments affording no security, etc. When a stress-weakened fish is then suddenly exposed to elevated levels of ammonia and cannot escape, further stress and internal damage results, which may kill the fish quickly or cause it to linger for weeks and even months before something else triggers it.

We do it so often that we fail to realize the significant impact that simply netting a fish out of one tank and putting it in another can have on that fish. The fact that the fish loses its colouration (fade as we term it) is simply a visible sign that it is suffering from something.

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post #14 of 25 Old 04-13-2010, 08:39 PM
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On our fist attempt, we had two sacrificial fishes to start the aquarium then added 4 more two weeks later without checking the water. Within four days, we had lost all the fishes, both of my daughters were really traumatised about the losses. It could happen hours like it could be days.
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post #15 of 25 Old 04-14-2010, 12:24 PM Thread Starter
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Hi Guys and Girls

Well we did loose all the fish unfortuantley after much effort in trying to save so we have started again with changes...

We have changed the ceramic rock to start and have added some larger decorative stones simply around the filter and added aquarium gravel all around this we have also now added three live plants into the tank.

I was advised by the shop assistant to add:

Nutrafin Aqua+ (Tap water conditioner) & Nutrafin Cycle (biological aquarium suppliment)

We have also brought a API tropical test kit and took a reading on Monday the 12th and results were:
PH = 7.6 High PH = 7.8 Nitrate = 0 NO2 = 0 NO3 = 0 Ammo = 0.25
2nd reading today (14th Wednesday):
PH = 7.6 High PH = 8.2 NO2 = 0 NO3 = 0 Ammo 0.25

Temp is now steady at 22oC

Not sure where to go from here...?

Phil and Alllie
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post #16 of 25 Old 04-14-2010, 01:25 PM
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I assume there are no fish in this tank now? You need something to produce ammonia. "Cycle" I have used years ago; it seemed to work for me. I prefer some other products now, but as you have this one use it. However, you need a source of ammonia. The Cycle quickstarts the bacteria, but without ammonia they will die off within hours. A small hardy fish or two will work, with the Cycle and live plants they will be OK. What fish are you thinking of having in the tank; I prefer using the fish you want from the start, rather than buying something that is "hardy" and then not wanting it.

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This is a biorb. Even if you can't "plant" any plants, you still have options...
Floating plants- water lettuce, frogbit
Rhizome plants- Java fern, Anubias (tied to rocks, wood, etc)
Mosses- Java, christmas, flame (again, tied to things)

For ammonia, you could have just left one of the dead fish in the tank... Or just buy a male guppy to cycle the tank. After a week, test the water. If ammonia and nitrites are 0 and you have some nitrates, then you can add another fish (after a 25% water change) If you don't have nitrates or if your test shows niTRITE, then it's not cycled yet, just leave the guppy in by himself for another week.

Be careful not to overfeed when you're doing a fish-in cycle.

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post #18 of 25 Old 04-14-2010, 05:05 PM Thread Starter
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We have put a small handful of food into the tank as was advised this would help with the ammonia levels...?

We did discuss getting a couple of molly's.....?

So if i get a molly on it's own a plave in the tank (gradually) how long should I leave it before doing the water change or is this just a matter of checking the test results hours after introducing...?
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post #19 of 25 Old 04-14-2010, 06:41 PM
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Mollies are not good fish for new tanks. They are very highly sensitive to ammonia. A molly breeder in Texas (I think it was) pointed this out. Of course, live plants would help this...

And you mentioned adding live plants earlier--following up on redchigh's advice, what exactly are the plants?

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