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Old 10-08-2012, 05:17 PM   #11
 
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OK i was looking online and i stumbled across this for community tanks for beginners, at isn't like all the rest with tetras and guppies. and this is what it said... please tell me if this is a good set up..

The Asian Riverbed Aquarium (120-200 liter)
This set up is very nice if you are willing to install a fairly strong current in your aquarium. It will mimic a South-East Asian riverbed biotope and should therefore ideally be heavily planted. Keeping a planted aquarium is actually easier than keeping a non-planted one since the plants will remove waste products from the water and help you keep the levels of oxygen up. Ask your local fish store for sturdy plant species that will thrive under normal aquarium lighting and require no additional carbon dioxide or fertilizers. This Asia Riverbed setup is inhabited by 15 Zebra Danios, 10 Tiger barbs, 4 Tinfoil barbs and 1 Red Tail Shark. The Red Tail Shark is not a true shark; it is a shark minnow that lives in freshwater only.

I do not think i would go with the tin foil barbs tho..
Aside from the fish species which I'll comment on momentarily, I agree with most of the rest. The current depends upon the fish obviously, and from what they are including they seem to be thinking of an Indian subcontinent riverscape, rather than a SE Asian stream. My 90g is something along this line, though the plants and fish spcies are not all Asian, but I set this tank up primarily for my loaches (Botia kubotai and Botia striata) and the upper fish are those that also prefer a bit of flow, but more to the point are quite active (Congo Tetra, Black Ruby Barb, Emperor Tetra, Golden Pencilfish). So this is a reasonably good commuinity--even though fish and plants come from three continents--because the fish all have very similar requirements respecting environment, water flow, etc. But the fine gravel substrate, rounded river rocks and chunks of bogwood are exactly what one would find in many Indian rivers where the loaches occur, and many barbs. Photo attached for reference.

To the fish mentioned in this citation, there are some real problems. First, the Tinfoil Barb gets to be 14 inches and needs a group of 6 or more to limit its aggressiveness; no 120-200 litre/30-50 gallon tank is anywhere near sufficient for these fish; our profile says a 6 or 7-foot 200g is best. Then, they will eat smaller fish, so goodbye Zebra Danio and Tiger Barb. As for the Tiger Barb, our profile notes that the RTS may go after fish with vertical stripes, so this does not seem a good match. The RTS would be fine with the Tinfoils in a 7-foot tank. Or with the Zebra Danio and some other barb/danio in a smaller tank.

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Old 10-08-2012, 05:35 PM   #12
 
I like your set up its very pretty. SO my question is now, if i set a dense vegetation, with driftwood and rocks. and get a school of about 8 or so of the fish you mentioned would that make a difference? I am sorry i am asking so much but i am just trying to learn and understand. I did like the loaches, but they grow to be to big for my tank even if i didn't get the RTBS. my tank dimensions are 48L x12 3/4W x 21 H. Also With a planted tank, I read you have to fertilize them, Does that hurt the fish? and what is best recommended. like i said i'm sorry if i seem to talk in circles. just trying to understand.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:04 PM   #13
 
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I like your set up its very pretty. SO my question is now, if i set a dense vegetation, with driftwood and rocks. and get a school of about 8 or so of the fish you mentioned would that make a difference? I am sorry i am asking so much but i am just trying to learn and understand. I did like the loaches, but they grow to be to big for my tank even if i didn't get the RTBS. my tank dimensions are 48L x12 3/4W x 21 H. Also With a planted tank, I read you have to fertilize them, Does that hurt the fish? and what is best recommended. like i said i'm sorry if i seem to talk in circles. just trying to understand.
You are askin questions before stumbling in, and we are all happy about that. So don't be afraid to ask anything here.

You have a 4-foot 55g tank, so there are lots of possibilities. Leaving out the RTS, loaches are suitable provided they are not the huge species or the aggressive ones. You could do either of the two species i mentioned in a 55g [check their profiles], a group of 5-6 of whichever. Even both together, with lots of wood. Loaches like to select their own "homes" and they prefer tunnels in wood. The Malaysian Driftwood which is what I have in all my tanks comes in chunks with tunnels galore.

Not sure which species you mean by "the 8 or so mentioned."

Yes, plants need food too, and while some of their nutrients will occur naturally in the water (the hard minerals) and fish foods along with the decomposition of organics in the substrate, it is usually best to add a comprehensive supplement to ensure nothing is missing. Unless these are way overdosed, they have no effect on fish or invertebrates. I use Seachem's Flourish Comprehensive Supplement, and Brightwell Aquatics' FlorinMulti is much the same thing. Make sure of the names, as they make several products in these lines.

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Old 10-08-2012, 07:34 PM   #14
 
yeah i have been looking at different fish and what would be good tank mates for them researching all individually. I want to stay away from fish that will destroy plants.

I am not sure why i love the RTBS so much, And as much as i might want one i am not sure if the trouble is worth it. As far as my last message saying 8 or more. If i got let say 8 green tiger barbs that don't have the stripe, or a school of fish of some sort that will not be small or to big for my tank, would that control the RTBS aggressiveness? along with alot of hiding spots?

Also As far as plants go I have been looking and have seen some i like and i thank you for your answers and helping me. As i said i am looking for at any and all types of fish, (with the exception of guppies and mollies.) I have had those and the breed way to much. Also with the plants what kind of filtration would you recommend. I saw a marineland pengquin BIO wheel filteration unite that hangs on the back would that be good for the tank and plants? it does all 3 class of filtration.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:16 PM   #15
 
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I want to stay away from fish that will destroy plants.
For any fish in our profiles, it will mention if there is any known plant eating or destruction.

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I am not sure why i love the RTBS so much, And as much as i might want one i am not sure if the trouble is worth it. As far as my last message saying 8 or more. If i got let say 8 green tiger barbs that don't have the stripe, or a school of fish of some sort that will not be small or to big for my tank, would that control the RTBS aggressiveness? along with alot of hiding spots?
Like i mentioned previously, individual fish can be more or less than the expected "norm" so this question is somewhat unanswerable. You might get a fish that was reasonable docile, but you also might get a real terror.

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Also As far as plants go I have been looking and have seen some i like and i thank you for your answers and helping me. As i said i am looking for at any and all types of fish, (with the exception of guppies and mollies.) I have had those and the breed way to much. Also with the plants what kind of filtration would you recommend. I saw a marineland pengquin BIO wheel filteration unite that hangs on the back would that be good for the tank and plants? it does all 3 class of filtration.
For a planted 55g, I would recommend a canister filter. One rated to this tank size. Canisters have variable flow, some via adjusters, some by using the spray bar aimed into the end wall. Another benefit of canisters is having a flow down the length of the tank, as the intake and outflow are at opposite ends. This replicates a quiet stream and is not only more normal for the fish but ensures good water movement.

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Old 10-09-2012, 05:53 PM   #16
 
Thank you. You have been a big help and i will certainly use your advise as far as the canister filter, and figure out about the fish situation. and Thanks again to all who have welcomed me.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:57 AM   #17
 
Why not get a rainbow shark instead?
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:53 PM   #18
 
I thought about getting a rainbow shark but I heard they have the same temperament as a RTBS.
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:55 PM   #19
 
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I thought about getting a rainbow shark but I heard they have the same temperament as a RTBS.
Very similar, note the comments in the profile.
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