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post #31 of 52 Old 07-15-2009, 03:56 PM Thread Starter
its lots of little white specs, almost like paint splatter, all over the bodies and tails/fins. i first saw it on my farlowella, royal pleco, clown pleco and blue ram. the blue ram and farlowella died. the others seem to beat the ick in a day or two. but then within another day or two, the white specs were back. i kept the temp at 82, did a water change today and added cycle and stress coat. should i add more salt or ick medicine?
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post #32 of 52 Old 07-15-2009, 04:44 PM Thread Starter
it's little white dots, almost like paint splatters, covering the body and tail and fins. i saw the blue ram, farlowella, royal pleco, and clown pleco with them. it happened after i moved everybody to the 75 gallon tank. they got the dots, then i rose the temp to 82 and added salt. the blue ram and farlowella died. i did a water change today and added cycle and stress coat and kept the temp at 82 because it looks like the royal, who showed signs of getting better bc the dots went away after a day or two, now has the dots again after a day or two of looking healthy.
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post #33 of 52 Old 07-15-2009, 05:23 PM
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I know it is contrary to what some other members hold, but I would not use salt with sensitive fish. And Farlowella and rams are sensitive fish, as are corys and most characins. I never use salt with these, never.

Sounds like it might be velvet not ich, but I'm not sure. In either case, as it seems to be parasitic, I would use Aquari-Sol. I have cured velvet, ich and an unknown parasite with Aquari-Sol. It claims to be suitable for sensitive fish, and in my experience it produces much less stress on the afore-mentioned fish that other copper-based remedies. It is used along the same line: raise the temp to 82 (the Farlowella might have found this hard, I lost one due to a temp rising to 85 overnight) and treat each day until the spots are gone. I usually use it for 6-7 days, once 5 days worked. Make sure you do a substantial water change before using different medications if the last treatment is still in the water.

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Angels need taller tanks as opposed to longer

I've never heard this before. Why is taller better?
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post #35 of 52 Old 07-20-2009, 12:36 PM Thread Starter
thanks byron. that aquari-sol is working, at least on my royal pleco. i've been using it for 3 days now and the ick has disappeared from him but it's still on my tetra's and majorly on my clown pleco. do you know of a max amount of days i should use it before stopping as not to overdose my healthy fish? and once i see that the ick has come off of all my fish, do i still need to treat the tank for a few days or just stop?
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post #37 of 52 Old 07-21-2009, 08:32 AM
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thanks byron. that aquari-sol is working, at least on my royal pleco. i've been using it for 3 days now and the ick has disappeared from him but it's still on my tetra's and majorly on my clown pleco. do you know of a max amount of days i should use it before stopping as not to overdose my healthy fish? and once i see that the ick has come off of all my fish, do i still need to treat the tank for a few days or just stop?
I agree, one should not add medication unless absolutely necessary because it does affect all fish in varying degrees, and there can be side issues with the bioilogical cycle, etc. But having said that, you do have a parasite and it has to be got rid of. The parasite cycle lasts 4-5 days so the treatment has to cover this period. Assuming this is ich (or similar parasite) the "spots" you see fall off the fish and break open to release dozens of parasites looking for host fish. It is only at this stage that they can be killed by the medication, and this stage lasts up to 72 hours (3 days).

I have used Aquari-Sol for 6 consecutive days (12 drops per 10 gallons I think is the dosage on the label) and it has always worked. I have sometimes noted new spots during the first 3-4 days, so some parasites seem to get through the screen, but after 6 days of treatment I do a partial water change and so far it has been successful. Even if I saw a spot or two after 6 days, I would cease. Fish are normally able to fight off ich if their immune systems are healthy.

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Angelfish are tall fish and need more height in a tank. With their tall dorsal and anal fins they can get to about 6-8" tall. A tank of at least 18" in height is recommended.

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post #39 of 52 Old 07-22-2009, 09:17 AM Thread Starter
ok i'm on day 5 today and i have seen great improvement with both my plecos. my tetras however still have spots. they're cheap so i'm thinking of just getting rid of them to prevent any risk of them spreading it bc my black ghost occassionally dines on them and i don't want him getting it. should i keep them or expose of them?

also, everybody talks about doing partial water changes, you mentioned a daily partial water change and then one after finishing using the aquari-sol. how much water are you talking about? i usually do a 20-30% change weekly. i can't do that daily though right?
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ok i'm on day 5 today and i have seen great improvement with both my plecos. my tetras however still have spots. they're cheap so i'm thinking of just getting rid of them to prevent any risk of them spreading it bc my black ghost occassionally dines on them and i don't want him getting it. should i keep them or expose of them?

also, everybody talks about doing partial water changes, you mentioned a daily partial water change and then one after finishing using the aquari-sol. how much water are you talking about? i usually do a 20-30% change weekly. i can't do that daily though right?
On the pwc, i meant that I always do one after the treatment (actually it just works out that way, the treatment ends a day or two before the due pwc and I do it as usual). And I sometimes do one before I start rather than doing a pwc in the middle of a 5-6 day treatment which is diluting the treatment and when that occurs there is a chance a parasite or two may slip through the barrier. No need for daily pwc, which would be detrimental to the treatment (constantly diluting it). In regular times (no ich issue) no harm in a daily pwc but that's a lot of work; many discus keepers do daily pwc of 50+% regularly. The fish would love a daily pwc from the standpoiint of continually fresh water, but I don't think it is normally advisable solely from the practical side.

If the tetras still show spots, the ich is still in the tank (no way to tell if one may have just dropped off). I would treat for 7 days, 8 max. Then do a pwc and monitor. Once the fish are back to healthy, they can normally fight off ich. They get it from being stressed over something.

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