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Old 10-28-2009, 07:14 PM   #1
 
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Question help with coudy tank

i posted this same thread in the betta section a few days ago but i havent gotten any responce so i am reposting it here in hopes of some help.....

So i just got a betta on friday and set him up in his new 1.5 gallon aquarium. the tank does have a "hang on the back" filter that i use. the tank was NOT cycled (told i didnt need to bc of its size) but i notcied last night and this morning that it was kind of cloudy......could it be cycling? should i be checking water params like i do with my tropical tank? i did do a PWC last night only removing about 1.5 cups of old water and replacing with new. i used PRIME as a water conditioner, is this ok? should i be doing bigger PWC? if so how much and how often?
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Old 10-28-2009, 07:36 PM   #2
 
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All new tanks will have some cloudiness during the first few days, sometimes lasting longer. This is normally the bacteria getting established and the biological balance establishing itself. The "cycling" still has to occur in any container of water with a fish.

Am I correct in assuming that everything was new, being the gravel, filter media, and decor? Nothing in the aquarium came from an existing tank?

Are there any live plants in this tank?

And Prime is the only thing you're using in the tank in the way of chemicals? Prime is a good conditioner, and it detoxifies ammonia. I would change about 1/4 to 1/3 of the tank water at every partial water change. Normally this should be weekly. I may suggest daily when I have your responses.

Do you have a test kit, for pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? If you do, I'd like to see the first three (not concerned with nitrate at this stage).

More will follow, from me or others, with the above info.

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Old 10-28-2009, 07:42 PM   #3
 
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yes EV ERYTHING in the tank was new...and PRIME is the ONLY thing i use in either tank. I did not use any established media from my exsiting tank...i do have an API mater test kit but have not used it on this aquarium as of yet....im still new to all this fishkeeping and because i am a fool i didnt think to check my params...i will go do one now and repost with the results...
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Old 10-28-2009, 07:55 PM   #4
 
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ok so i just finished the FIRST test

ph 7.6
ammonia 1.0ppm
nitrIte 0.5ppm
nitrAte 5.0ppm
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Old 10-28-2009, 08:04 PM   #5
 
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ok so i just finished the FIRST test

ph 7.6
ammonia 1.0ppm
nitrIte 0.5ppm
nitrAte 5.0ppm
In my opinion, the tank is simply cycling normally. You didn't mention plants, so I'll assume there are none; if you have plants in the other tank, and can toss a couple in, it would help a bit. Fast-growing plants like stem plants or floating water Sprite are best for this. Also, if there is any decor, wood or rock in the established tank that you could temporarily move into this tank, it would bring a colony of bacteria with it, another help. Don't rinse or wash any plants/decor you move over.

Daily pwc of 1/3 would be advisable, just change the water, no gravel vacuuming or filter cleaning until the tank is cycled.

I asked for the pH because the nitrification cycle works best at a pH in the mid-7's with respect to bacteria colonization, so that's fine. Use the Prime every pwc. And don't add more fish (if you intended to at some point) until the tank is cycled.

I think you're on the right track, good luck. Keep us posted.

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Old 10-28-2009, 08:09 PM   #6
 
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thank you byron and you are correct in assuming that there are no live plants....i only have one SMALL plant in the other aquarium. I do ihave a pieve of driftwood, also small, that i could put in there from my established tank...however i have a bristlnose pleco in there (the 20 gal) and ive read that they need the dritwood in their diet....would he be ok for a few days/weeks with out it?? i do not plan to add anymore fish to this aquarium because it is too small and it houses a male betta and i do not want to risk injury to anyone.....i do plan on upgrading the betta to a 10 gallon here inthe near furture....i am going to do a PWC now and will continue to do so untill the cycle is complete...i will most certainly keep you posted....
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Old 10-28-2009, 08:18 PM   #7
 
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thank you byron and you are correct in assuming that there are no live plants....i only have one SMALL plant in the other aquarium. I do ihave a pieve of driftwood, also small, that i could put in there from my established tank...however i have a bristlnose pleco in there (the 20 gal) and ive read that they need the dritwood in their diet....would he be ok for a few days/weeks with out it?? i do not plan to add anymore fish to this aquarium because it is too small and it houses a male betta and i do not want to risk injury to anyone.....i do plan on upgrading the betta to a 10 gallon here inthe near furture....i am going to do a PWC now and will continue to do so untill the cycle is complete...i will most certainly keep you posted....
You caught me just before I'm signing off for supper and relaxation (of a different type in front of the TV to unwind). Yes, I would move the driftwood, probably for only a few days until the nitrite spikes and drops back; leave the plant, wouldn't want to uproot it for the minimal value it will bring.

And there you are.

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Old 10-28-2009, 08:21 PM   #8
 
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water change complete (MUCH easier on a 1.5 then a 20!!!) i will go move the driftwood....enjoy your supper and TV time!!
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Old 11-01-2009, 08:11 AM   #9
 
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quick update i have been doing PWC daily (with the exception of yesterday...) and daily testing prior to those changes the reading are as follows

10/28
ammonia 1.0ppm
nitrite 0.5ppm
nitrate 5.0ppm

10/29
same

10/30
same

10/31
skipped

11/1
ammonia 4.0ppm!!!! i guess it is peaking
nitrite 1.0ppm
nitrate 5.0ppm


pH in all my tanks is consistantly 7.6 as well as when it comes from the tap

I am currently cycling a 5 gal to move him into
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:53 AM   #10
 
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I am afraid a 1.5 gal tank is too small to hold any type of cycle. In a tank that size, I would not even try to cycle it. Things may look fine for a couple days, then the next time you check, the cycle has crashed.
I am glad you are setting up a 5 gal for the betta! A 5 gal, with filter, can hold a cycle well.
If you choice to keep the betta in the 1.5 for a while, I would do a pwc a couple times a week, and a full water change weekly.
If it where me, I would go ahead and move the betta to the 5 gal tank. The extra water volume will help keep levels of ammonia / nitrite, from spiking as quickly. Then cycle the tank, as you would any other fish in cycle. Pwc when needed, to keep ammonia and nitrite under .25 ppm. Try to seed the tank with media from another tank, cut to fit in filter, if need be, or place gravel from a cycled tank in the filter.

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