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Old 05-18-2009, 06:11 PM   #11
 
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cabomba is a moderate light plant. As for pearlweed, i dunno. BUt with Cabomba, you will need to invest in special bulbs for your hood. If the snail you get is a herbivore, it will decemate your plants. Snails should not be used to control plant growth. They are also usually terrible algae eaters unless you find nerite snails. Trumpet snails will also munch on algae, especialyl useful for thread and hair algae, and will not eat your plants but are still not huge eaters of algae. a 10 gallon can hold around 8 guppies and 2 otos. THe Otos are excellent algae eaters and, after cycling, will consume the brown diatom bloom that many tanks experience. Also think about using amano shrimp for algae control. Shrimp have a smaller bioload than fish but amano shrimp are harder to find. ALso with any invertibrates make sure the food you feed do not have copper.
By oto u mean Otocinclus macrospilus right?

Just doing some research on cycling and now i have some questions.
Do i cycling first than add the pebbles and the plant or add the plant & pebbles first before i do cycling?
Do i change water after i cycling or i don't need to change water after my tank is cycling?
Once the tank is cycling what do i do to maintain the cycling or once your tank is cycling, you don't have to do anything else except for put in your fishes and enjoy it for a long heck of time?


I just talk to a friend and he said he has many fish tanks of different sizes and he will let me have one (like if he not, then he will in for a world of hurt, jk jk!!!) so it look like i can get one soon and save myself some money. (SCORED!)
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:19 PM   #12
 
add the gravel or pebbles and cycle with that. Ive been told its fine to cycle with plants since they aren't affect by ammonia spikes. No water changing during cycling. i dunno about changing water after cycling, i personally dont, i just add a couple of fish at a time and do daily water tests. Once cycles ur tank is good. Cycling builds up bacteria and a lot of it is in ur gravel and filter. When u clean ur filter use old tank water to rinse it because tap water will kill all the good bacteria. As long as you dont lose a lot of bacteria at once, your tank should be fine. thats awsome ur friend is giving you a tank. Although its good to save money, dont skimp on the filter and test kit since those are super important in the long run.
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:22 PM   #13
 
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I believe you are supposed add the pebbles and decorations before you start cycling (I don't know about the plants) so that the beneficial bacteria has more places to grow on. I'm not sure about whether you are supposed to change the water or not, but I didn't while cycling my tank, and it seemed to work fine. While the tank is cycling, you add a little ammonia every day to feed the bacteria while monitoring your levels of ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate (you can find test kits for these at pet stores, the liquid test kits are the best). It's not a good idea to add fish until after the cycle is finished, because ammonia and nitrite are toxic to fish. During your cycle, the ammonia will rise first, then it will begin to drop and the nitrite will begin to rise, and eventually the nitrite will drop and the nitrates will start to rise. When this happens, you have your beneficial bacteria and you can add fish (although I believe you are supposed to do a few water changes over the next few days before adding fish).

If you get a fish tank from your friend, it will probably already be cycled, so you might not even need to worry about the cycling.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:15 AM   #14
 
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If you get a fish tank from your friend, it will probably already be cycled, so you might not even need to worry about the cycling.
Lol, my friend gave me the tanks because he got too many tanks and his fish are all die now due to not knowing how to cycling and never spend the time to look up how to properly care for a fish.

Oh, today i found out that one of my best friend is an expert at taking care of fish. She is one of my best bud but i never knew she know such thing until today, although i knew she running a 2 years old tank. She said she gonna help me with buying the kit and everything and teach me how to cycling too but she advice me not to get guppy because it extremely hard to raise. She told me that she used to have like 16 guppies but they are die like really quick. She also told me not to get neon tetra because they die very quick too. T.T I love neon tetra!!! But anyway, im probably won't heed her warning and will start out with 5 guppies and see how it go. I went to a lfs today and they didn't have a great fresh water selection but the good new is they sell 3 guppies for 5 dollars so that is way cheaper than Petco, and they got this one fish called Redwag Platy and the fellow is quite cute so im thinking of getting a few of those guys too, what do you guys think? Oh, i picking up the tank tomorrow so im so excited now.
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Old 05-19-2009, 07:11 AM   #15
 
well you shouldn't be getting any fish for a couple of weeks until your tank is cycled... Neon tetras have a shorter lifespan than most other tetras because of the size and quantity they are shipped in. But guppies should last at least 2-3 years.
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:35 AM   #16
 
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well you shouldn't be getting any fish for a couple of weeks until your tank is cycled... Neon tetras have a shorter lifespan than most other tetras because of the size and quantity they are shipped in. But guppies should last at least 2-3 years.

ah damn, that is too long, im a very impatient person if i know there is a shortcut, and this shortcut will be imma ask my friend for the cycling water because at the end step where the water is cycling, they need to do a big water change (75%) so i just ask for 25% of her water and add to my tank 75% new water and continue feed ammonia from there.

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Old 05-19-2009, 12:35 PM   #17
 
oh well if that's the case ask her for a used filter foam and float that in your tank. Just be sure you condition your water so u don't kill the bacteria on the foam. Also there's a couple of bacteria cultures out there that help accelerate the bacteria growth in your tank but even the quickest shortcut will still force you to wait about a week before adding fish.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:38 PM   #18
 
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ah damn, that is too long, im a very impatient person if i know there is a shortcut, and this shortcut will be imma ask my friend for the cycling water because at the end step where the water is cycling, they need to do a big water change (75%) so i just ask for 25% of her water and add to my tank 75% new water and continue feed ammonia from there.
Its good to see you want to take the time to cycle your tank properly! However, I just want to say this. The water in the tank does not much beneficial bacteria at all, some, but not a whole lot, if you want to jump start your cycle, ask for friend for some filter media, if she can't do that then have her scoop out some gravel and you can put it in a mesh bag or a panty hose and put it in the bottom of your tank, either one will definetly help to jump start your cycle for you.

Good luck, everyone here has given you some great advice for maintaning a tank.

I also wanted to just add, that after your tank is cycled (your ammonia and nitrite is zero for several days) you will see a big reading for nitrates, you will need to do a 80% water change before you add fish, this will lower them significantly, and your weekly water changes will help to maintain a safe level.

Good luck, any quesitons, keep shootin!
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:09 PM   #19
 
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Its good to see you want to take the time to cycle your tank properly! However, I just want to say this. The water in the tank does not much beneficial bacteria at all, some, but not a whole lot, if you want to jump start your cycle, ask for friend for some filter media, if she can't do that then have her scoop out some gravel and you can put it in a mesh bag or a panty hose and put it in the bottom of your tank, either one will definetly help to jump start your cycle for you.

Good luck, everyone here has given you some great advice for maintaning a tank.

I also wanted to just add, that after your tank is cycled (your ammonia and nitrite is zero for several days) you will see a big reading for nitrates, you will need to do a 80% water change before you add fish, this will lower them significantly, and your weekly water changes will help to maintain a safe level.

Good luck, any quesitons, keep shootin!
By changing water weekly you mean every week i have to take out 80% of water in the tank and add in a new 80% of tap water right?
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:11 PM   #20
 
java moss will nearly halt that nitrate jump if you have a large enough clump if it. That's what i used with my 46 gallon. I cycled and near the end of it i planted all my plants. Never got a nitrate spike.
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