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Old 02-22-2008, 10:42 AM   #21
 
I dont want to affend anyone Im just telling what I just heard from my local pet store. They said you can put angel fish in 10 gallon tanks even, that a 75 gallon tank could hold 5 or more wil lots of other fish. They said they are just normal angel fish, that the ones that get big are called african angel fish. Im not saying I trust them im just sharing what I was told.
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:32 AM   #22
 
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Well one thing can be said about them then. The care about the bottom line, $$, and not making sure you are happy as a keeper. Errornious information is one thing but that kind of information is simple ignorance or worse, they simply don't care.

You are on the right track though. Even though it has been harped on a little too much you are doing the right thing by asking what fish to get before getting them. I think you will be much happier if you get fish that will work together in the long run and hopefully have a few less headaches from diseases and losses of your fish.
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:51 AM   #23
 
BillyVille, you have just learned one of the greatest lessons in fish keeping. LFS's are there to make money, for the most part. There are some, and I am blessed to have two, that truly take the hobby to heart. They are usually the small neighborhood, ma and pa type stores that don't have a lot of glitz. But they realize that their business puts food on the table and that they need you to come back long-term. In doing so, they will give you the information you need and provide you with honest information. They will usually become you best friend in the hobby.

I can imagine what you were told. If you could sit down and have a cup of coffee with me sometime(well, maybe a Bean and Coke), I will tell you stories that, after you get a little more acqainted with the hobby, will just shock the pants off of you.

You have made a great choice. To be a fish keeper is a demanding yet rewarding hobby. It will be more enoyable than demanding, let me assure you. The members here care about their hobby, for the most part. There are a very few that do not, but they usually aren't here long. Have fun with your new hobby.Enjoy the time you spend here. I invite you to post in the boards an to partake in our chatroom. You will make many friends here. You may even find someone who lives near you. Never know. Then the two of you can sit around and talk about fish.....

Welcome aboard.
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Old 02-22-2008, 01:11 PM   #24
 
Thank You :D
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:06 PM   #25
 
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here are some flying foxes just in case you were wondering about them.



and again.... what kind of rainbows are you thinking about?
They're not flying foxes but true Siamese Algae Eaters. They're not readily available but are more useful than flying foxes and false Siamese Algae Eaters (Garra).
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Old 02-23-2008, 02:18 AM   #26
 
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I dont want to affend anyone Im just telling what I just heard from my local pet store. They said you can put angel fish in 10 gallon tanks even, that a 75 gallon tank could hold 5 or more wil lots of other fish. They said they are just normal angel fish, that the ones that get big are called african angel fish. Im not saying I trust them im just sharing what I was told.
I think your LFS more wants your money than anything else. Anyone who would put an angelfish into 10 gallons needs to be knocked upside the head. Also, angels don't come from Africa... none of them! Angelfish are from South America, and are based out of the Amazon River.

I can think of a few things I would like to say to those people at your LFS, but it wouldn't be polite enough to post it here. Africa? C'mon... maybe if they're imported or being raised by a breeder who's living there, but that is not nor has ever been even close to South America, which is where they are all from.

Now, there are different types of angels... but they all come from the same place of origin. Now that you know you can't trust the people at your LFS, I would strongly suggest doing plenty of research on anything you may decide to purchase there. Books, internet, and of course, here. This forum is a wealth of knowledge about anything fish. Here you will get accurate answers to your questions, and sooo much first hand experience that your LFS wouldn't have a clue. You'll want to prepare yourself to go in, ask for what you want, and leave, not relying on them to help you beyond that. I think we should also help teach you how to choose healthy fish, and what signs of illness to look for. Anyone talking about keeping angels in 10 gallons surely can't be taking very good care of their own fish...

Sorry, but I couldnt let that one go, I have never heard of anything so outrageous... (well, I have, but that's in the top 5!)
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:42 PM   #27
 
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sorry about the "flying fox" pics. the site i went to said they were flying foxes. i'll look into it more next time.


and i'm with bettababy on this whole angelfish in a 10 gal thing. who in the right mind could think a fish that big could fit in a tank that small! i mean you dont even have to be in the hobby to know that wouldnt work!
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:42 PM   #28
 
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sorry about the "flying fox" pics. the site i went to said they were flying foxes. i'll look into it more next time.


and i'm with bettababy on this whole angelfish in a 10 gal thing. who in the right mind could think a fish that big could fit in a tank that small! i mean you dont even have to be in the hobby to know that wouldnt work!
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Old 02-26-2008, 09:56 PM   #29
 
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as from personal experience with angelfish, i think it will be fine depending on what kind your getting and if your getting female/male. i have no idea of how to sex angelfish right now but will pretty soon after the research. in my 60g tank right at the moment i have

4 anglefish
2 gourmais
3 black skirt tetras
1 glassfish
1 kuhli loach
3 african dwarf frogs (not african dwarf clawed frogs)
1 albino pleco

and i have no aggression problems and my angelfish are at peak of health. It helps alot with what kind of fish your putting in with them. the aggression issues the territorie issues and once they get big enough, the eating issues. angelfish are the kind of fish you want good quality water parameters with. i do almost 50% water change every week and the only ill effects of that on my angelfish is if they swim into where i'm pouring the water in and there fins tear a bit otherwise it's all benefits form water changes. i have done some research on angelfish and they will only nip at your plants if their ill fed (don't eat enough to fill themselves) and their body structure is built for weaving in and through plants. IMHO angelfish will do fine in a 75g tank and will only turn on you if they pair up or in a to small tank.
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:54 AM   #30
 
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If 4 angels fit into a 60 gallon then they are young and not full grown yet. (or their growth was stunted due to poor water quality, though it doesn't sound like it).
Angelfish get 6 - 8 inches full grown and there isn't a dwarf species. While it takes a couple of years for them to reach adult size, considering the amount of growth, that is quite fast. Each growth spurt they go through increases the waste they put out and the agression levels, and the amount of territory they need to claim.

Adding angels to a 75 gallon tank is only temporary, and knowing that they need a larger tank and being able to provide that are important before choosing them in the first place. That is what is called responsible fish keeping. A lot of disasters happen 1 - 2 yrs into owning a tank for reasons such as this... all of a sudden something larger is needed and can't be provided at that time...
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