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Old 02-21-2008, 11:18 PM   #11
 
One subject that no one broached was the color of the gravel. Light covered gravel has been proven to increase the anxiety in the piscivoric world. Darker gravel settles the fish down and gives them a sense of security. If you are going to use live plants in the tank, I would use Eco-Complete for Planted Aquariums or a mix of gravel and fluorite or laterite. My preference would be the EcoComplete.

Angels, gouramis and rainbows will also tear up the leaves of many live plants. Rather than the angels, I might try festivums, they do stay a little smaller, not much, and are not as aggressive except at breeding time. They are also a little easier on the plants, but will tear the leaves occasionally if not fed veggies from time to time.

Glass cats like some current, gouramis like a more placid setting. If you are set on the glass cats, the gourami will have to rough it out.

Rainbows can get kind of big, although there are now dwarf rainbows available in the hobby. They also prefer school of 6 or more. Four might be ok but I am sure that six would be better. They also like their water a little harder, higher pH than those mentioned before, save the glass cat.

Siamese algae eaters get large and belligerent. As they get older, they shy away from algae and may attack smaller tankmates. I would substitute flying foxes. Good little fish.

Glo-fish, another one of man's merchandising and sales at all cost ploys. Practices like this is what gives the hobby a bad name. I, personally do not like adding fuel to the fire of those who wish the hobby banned. Please, stay away from these fish. If it's color and action you are looking for there are hundreds of other fish to choose from. Get some edlers. Being new to the hobby, you have no idea how serious the anti aquarium people are.

Everyone so far has given you very sound advice. Yet, you wish to dash around it with every new post. Take the advice of one with 46 years in the hobby. When in doubt, listen!!!!!! If you already have your mind made up, why ask for opinions to validate what you now know may cause problems in the future? I just don't understand it. I don't mean for this to sound vicious or create hard feelings in any way. Just giving you some advice, listen to what these members are telling you. They will not lead you astray. They will give you sound advice and help you to enjoy the hobby. They are actually helping to save you from headaches, heartaches, and wallet cramps.

There is a saying in the hobby. This looks like a good place to bring it out. In the hobby there are "havers" and "keepers". Havers put fish in their tanks to feed their egos and fill a need to possess for gratification. Keepers, on the other hand, possess fish to further their love of natural things and to bring a piece of that nature into their homes. They cater to the needs of the creatures they keep. Some of the plainest fish are the most fascinating. I would like for you to join us as a keeper, as would all who have posted in this thread. Will you join us?
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:36 PM   #12
 
The Angels will get very aggresive with all the other fish and most likley eat the Glofish.

Cories should be in gropus of 6+, and Glass Cats in groups of 5+.

The SAE will get 9-12" long and get very aggresive.
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:46 PM   #13
 
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Bob, very very well said, I applaud your last paragraph about the havers and the keepers.

To contribute to the newest stock list, again... you can't put numerous angelfish into that size of a tank... plain and simple, it can't work. Take a saucer plate and hold it up to the tank. Imagine 5 of these in there... where on earth would they go? Add to the size the fact that they are aggressive, would rip up the dwarf gouramis quickly.... and the amount of waste they produce...

I guess I also have to ask the same kinds of questions Bob has already asked... are you trying to create something that will work or something that will end in disaster with a lot of dead animals and a lot of expense? We really are not telling you to avoid certain fish and/or mixes of fish because we don't want you to keep them, we are telling you because we all know that this can't work and end nicely.

If you were to take your last stock list, get rid of the dwarf gouramis, move into a 200+ gallon tank, yes, then maybe it could work for you.

I am going to find a link for you explaining about the glo fish... will be back with it as soon as I find it!
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:58 AM   #14
 
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Here is one link for you to read:

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...?article_id=72

And one more... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_fish

I can only hope you will see the inhumanity in this process and reconsider your choices.
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:17 AM   #15
 
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ok, you have to remember that you only have a 75 gallon. some of those fish get pretty big and when they are big AND agressive they will need even more room. the rainbow fish will be fine depending on what kind you get. what kind did you have in mind when you made the list? if you got celebes or threadfin you would be ok but the larger types might not fit. i would also change the algae eater to a flying fox because they both eat algae and lets face it the flying foxes are cute. :D the gouramis should be ok if you leave out the angelfish because i *think* the angels will bully them.... correct me if im wrong. the ghost cats should be ok in that mix but they dont like a lot of light and if there is too much light they will spend most of their time hiding. i would up the cories to 6 and if possible the glass cats to 5 if space permits. i also think that changing the angels to festivums wouldnt be such a bad idea since festivums are not as agressive. and if you ditch the SAE and the angels you could get some type of schooling fish to go in there if you wanted :D
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:19 AM   #16
 
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ok sorry to double post but as soon as i posted the last one i was thinking.... even though severums are les agressive than angels would they still be to big to put in a 75 gal?
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:23 AM   #17
 
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One subject that no one broached was the color of the gravel. Light covered gravel has been proven to increase the anxiety in the piscivoric world. Darker gravel settles the fish down and gives them a sense of security. If you are going to use live plants in the tank, I would use Eco-Complete for Planted Aquariums or a mix of gravel and fluorite or laterite. My preference would be the EcoComplete.

Angels, gouramis and rainbows will also tear up the leaves of many live plants. Rather than the angels, I might try festivums, they do stay a little smaller, not much, and are not as aggressive except at breeding time. They are also a little easier on the plants, but will tear the leaves occasionally if not fed veggies from time to time.

Glass cats like some current, gouramis like a more placid setting. If you are set on the glass cats, the gourami will have to rough it out.

Rainbows can get kind of big, although there are now dwarf rainbows available in the hobby. They also prefer school of 6 or more. Four might be ok but I am sure that six would be better. They also like their water a little harder, higher pH than those mentioned before, save the glass cat.

Siamese algae eaters get large and belligerent. As they get older, they shy away from algae and may attack smaller tankmates. I would substitute flying foxes. Good little fish.

Glo-fish, another one of man's merchandising and sales at all cost ploys. Practices like this is what gives the hobby a bad name. I, personally do not like adding fuel to the fire of those who wish the hobby banned. Please, stay away from these fish. If it's color and action you are looking for there are hundreds of other fish to choose from. Get some edlers. Being new to the hobby, you have no idea how serious the anti aquarium people are.

Everyone so far has given you very sound advice. Yet, you wish to dash around it with every new post. Take the advice of one with 46 years in the hobby. When in doubt, listen!!!!!! If you already have your mind made up, why ask for opinions to validate what you now know may cause problems in the future? I just don't understand it. I don't mean for this to sound vicious or create hard feelings in any way. Just giving you some advice, listen to what these members are telling you. They will not lead you astray. They will give you sound advice and help you to enjoy the hobby. They are actually helping to save you from headaches, heartaches, and wallet cramps.

There is a saying in the hobby. This looks like a good place to bring it out. In the hobby there are "havers" and "keepers". Havers put fish in their tanks to feed their egos and fill a need to possess for gratification. Keepers, on the other hand, possess fish to further their love of natural things and to bring a piece of that nature into their homes. They cater to the needs of the creatures they keep. Some of the plainest fish are the most fascinating. I would like for you to join us as a keeper, as would all who have posted in this thread. Will you join us?
Im sorry, I will join you! Sorry for not listening to everything you guys have told me. I would like some angel fish, so here comes my question... How quick do they grow? Cause I plan to have a much bigger tank when I move in the next year or so...

Sorry again if I made anyone mad
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:30 AM   #18
 
Can someone please post a pics of some festivus?
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:58 AM   #19
 
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no hard feelings :D everyone makes mistakes. sometimes its hard not to get caught up in the excitment of fish keeping and go overboard trust me.... my head is in the clouds sometimes too.

here are some pics of festivums. they arent great cause the internet didnt have much to chose from.




here are some flying foxes just in case you were wondering about them.



and again.... what kind of rainbows are you thinking about?
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Old 02-22-2008, 09:33 AM   #20
 
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