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Old 02-20-2011, 05:25 PM   #21
 
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You are more than welcomed. Hope your tank set up turns out awesome!!
I hope it turns out well also! Yesterday I went and 4 female fancy guppies and 2 males. They seem to be doing ok so far. Their darting up/down and back and forth. I'm keeping an eye on how much I feed them so they don't put out a lot of waste all at once. Does the spike in ammonia happen quickly? or does it just go up and up before it goes back down?

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Old 02-21-2011, 01:16 AM   #22
 
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I hope it turns out well also! Yesterday I went and 4 female fancy guppies and 2 males. They seem to be doing ok so far. Their darting up/down and back and forth. I'm keeping an eye on how much I feed them so they don't put out a lot of waste all at once. Does the spike in ammonia happen quickly? or does it just go up and up before it goes back down?

Thanks

Yeah, guppies are pretty active fishies. As far as feeding them, if they are younger, you should feed them at least 2-3 small meals a day, if they are older 1-2 times a day. Feeding them less wont change their output as much as you would think...the key is not to put so much food in there that there is a bunch of left overs that break down into ammonia in your tank.

The ammonia spikes during a tank cycle usually bounce. Its the nitrate and nitrite levels you are really watching. I always get them confused on which is bad and which is good, but I THINK its the nitrites that are bad and that once they spike and disappear the nitrates will level off to 20-40ppm (which is safe and where it should be). But ammonia is always dangerous to fish, if your ammonia levels spike a little bit, do a partial water change.

With guppies, they are livebearers, and can reproduce quickly. And a good ratio for them is one male to every 2-3 females. If your females get aggrivated too much by the males, you can add another female to help disburse the excitement. And know that if you add mollies, guppies can crossbreed with them.

Guppies are cool. I have four. The sunrise tequila guppies tend to be larger than fancy guppies and such. My sunrise tequila guppies will even come nip on my fingers if I stick them in the tank, and they always follow me around the tank to see what I am doing. All my guppies are males though, which is fine, I have no intent on breeding on purpose, or even accidental since my tanks are stocked full. lol.
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Old 02-21-2011, 10:01 PM   #23
 
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well I lost 1 female and 1 male today. So far the other ones are doing ok. I've been only feeding them in the morning and night. I kind of expected a loss at some point(actually I was surprised it took a couple days). I also went and got myself a master liquid test kit today so I can see what is going on. My readings were:

Temp: 78 degrees
ph: 7.4
NH3/4: .5ppm
NO2: .1 ppm
NO3: 0
Alk: 1.7

and I did a 10-15% change as well before hand

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Old 02-21-2011, 10:25 PM   #24
 
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well I lost 1 female and 1 male today. So far the other ones are doing ok. I've been only feeding them in the morning and night. I kind of expected a loss at some point(actually I was surprised it took a couple days). I also went and got myself a master liquid test kit today so I can see what is going on. My readings were:

Temp: 78 degrees
ph: 7.4
NH3/4: .5ppm
NO2: .1 ppm
NO3: 0
Alk: 1.7

and I did a 10-15% change as well before hand

The water parameters were probably higher before the water change, in which case it could have been a number of things that could have killed the guppies...including stress. Fish loss happens, even in fully cycled tanks.
Sorry to hear that you lost 2 guppies...hang in there, it will cycle soon enough.
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Old 02-21-2011, 10:29 PM   #25
 
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The water parameters were probably higher before the water change, in which case it could have been a number of things that could have killed the guppies...including stress. Fish loss happens, even in fully cycled tanks.
Sorry to hear that you lost 2 guppies...hang in there, it will cycle soon enough.
Ya that's kinda what I thought to. One of them was actually dead before hand and the other one was all swimming around before I did the change. I guess that's why you start small. I made sure to start a log of the daily parameters. Also should I have checked the water before the change to see how much I should take out?

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Old 02-21-2011, 10:53 PM   #26
 
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Ya that's kinda what I thought to. One of them was actually dead before hand and the other one was all swimming around before I did the change. I guess that's why you start small. I made sure to start a log of the daily parameters. Also should I have checked the water before the change to see how much I should take out?

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I would, personally, do the water testing before a water change, and a couple of hours after a water change to make sure the levels have dropped to a safe level in case you need to do another change.

Yeah, during a tank cycle, depending on tank size and the type of fish you use when doing a fish-in cycle, you generally only need 2-3 fish.

I have broken many of the rules when it comes to adding fish. The general rule is no more than 3 fish once a week assuming water parameters are safe. I have safely added up to 11 new fish at once to my tank without any fluctuation to my water parameters. Of course I only add that many when I add small and lower bio-load type fish (the 11 fish included 5 habrosus cory, which when adding them they ranged between 1/4" and a 1/2"). And I dont like to buy schooling fish in two groups, so I generally add them 6 at a time. I would NOT do that to a cycling tank though, even though I did to my smaller tank with 7 fish, however I had also added good bacteria from a previous tank I was upgrading from.

There is a great product you can buy at Walmart by Jungle called Tank Buddies Correct pH. They are dissolving tablets (which my guppies love to play in while they are dissolving) that remove ammonia and keep your pH near a neutral 7.0. It is only $3 and some change and it treats up to 80 gallons and last for 3-4 weeks. Add it after a water change. It helped keep my fish alive during my cycles, and seemed to speed the process up some how. And API Stress Coat water conditioner with aloe also removes ammonia, but be careful not to use too much if you do use it because it can cause a small build up of slime since it also helps the fish repair their slimecoats.

Oh, and great choice on the test kit! They have them at Petsmart for like $32, but when I went to get one the other day, they were completely sold out!! But I needed testers, and ended up with strips that I got on sale because they were for ponds...they test the same things just the readings say certain levels are safe for ponds, but since I know what parameters I need, they still tell me the number and I know what to do. And you can order the API master test kit on walmart.com for only $25! Only a good buy if you do site to store, otherwise by time you pay shipping, you could just go to Petsmart and get one.

I forget, what size is your tank? I guess I could just go and read the first post, huh? lol.
Hope you can get some pics of the tank up once it is how you want it. I never have mine how I want it, always adding new things, but for the most part my tanks are how I want them. Good Luck.
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:20 PM   #27
 
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I would, personally, do the water testing before a water change, and a couple of hours after a water change to make sure the levels have dropped to a safe level in case you need to do another change.

Yeah, during a tank cycle, depending on tank size and the type of fish you use when doing a fish-in cycle, you generally only need 2-3 fish.

I have broken many of the rules when it comes to adding fish. The general rule is no more than 3 fish once a week assuming water parameters are safe. I have safely added up to 11 new fish at once to my tank without any fluctuation to my water parameters. Of course I only add that many when I add small and lower bio-load type fish (the 11 fish included 5 habrosus cory, which when adding them they ranged between 1/4" and a 1/2"). And I dont like to buy schooling fish in two groups, so I generally add them 6 at a time. I would NOT do that to a cycling tank though, even though I did to my smaller tank with 7 fish, however I had also added good bacteria from a previous tank I was upgrading from.

There is a great product you can buy at Walmart by Jungle called Tank Buddies Correct pH. They are dissolving tablets (which my guppies love to play in while they are dissolving) that remove ammonia and keep your pH near a neutral 7.0. It is only $3 and some change and it treats up to 80 gallons and last for 3-4 weeks. Add it after a water change. It helped keep my fish alive during my cycles, and seemed to speed the process up some how. And API Stress Coat water conditioner with aloe also removes ammonia, but be careful not to use too much if you do use it because it can cause a small build up of slime since it also helps the fish repair their slimecoats.

Oh, and great choice on the test kit! They have them at Petsmart for like $32, but when I went to get one the other day, they were completely sold out!! But I needed testers, and ended up with strips that I got on sale because they were for ponds...they test the same things just the readings say certain levels are safe for ponds, but since I know what parameters I need, they still tell me the number and I know what to do. And you can order the API master test kit on walmart.com for only $25! Only a good buy if you do site to store, otherwise by time you pay shipping, you could just go to Petsmart and get one.

I forget, what size is your tank? I guess I could just go and read the first post, huh? lol.
Hope you can get some pics of the tank up once it is how you want it. I never have mine how I want it, always adding new things, but for the most part my tanks are how I want them. Good Luck.
Thanks for your response. It's a 29g tank.So far today I haven't lost any more. the Ammonia has gone up to 1.0 ppm now but I guess that's expected right? None of the other levels have change except the temp is 80 degrees F now. I made sure to do the test before I did the change this time. Makes sense.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:17 PM   #28
 
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Thanks for your response. It's a 29g tank.So far today I haven't lost any more. the Ammonia has gone up to 1.0 ppm now but I guess that's expected right? None of the other levels have change except the temp is 80 degrees F now. I made sure to do the test before I did the change this time. Makes sense.

I hope I read right, and that after the 1.0ppm ammonia reading you did a water change. I am sure you did.

80 degrees is okay, you might want to pull it down about 2 degrees though.

Since your ammonia is spiking, depending on what chemicals you are using if any to aide in the cycling, you should see some spikes in the nitrite soon, in which later will give you your nitrates.

And make sure any fish that die during the process are removed promptly, as they can contribute to a spike in ammonia in the tank as well.

My tank is a 29 gal too. I love it...its a great size!

Glad no other fish have died for you!!!
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:03 PM   #29
 
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I did do the water change after the test. Makes more sense that way I guess. I also removed the ones that died immediately after I noticed them. I figured it wasn't good for the tank. Thanks for all your advice. I'll keep you posted how it goes.
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I did do the water change after the test. Makes more sense that way I guess. I also removed the ones that died immediately after I noticed them. I figured it wasn't good for the tank. Thanks for all your advice. I'll keep you posted how it goes.
You are more than welcome...happy to help in any way I can. I look forward to your tank updates!!!
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