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post #11 of 74 Old 02-16-2011, 11:54 PM
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Thanks. That is a really helpful post. I ultimately don't know what I want in the tank as there are so many choices. I spent about 2 months reading about them and learning about the first cycle but I'm always looking for more information. I'm trying to build the right ecosystem and am willing to take my time to get there. I don't even have decorations. The filter came with the tank it's a 3 stage filter that just rests on the side.. I figure it will work well enough in the beginning and then I can upgrade(I didn't expect it to be top of the line since it came with the kit). I'll probably buy a UGF on saturday when I get the plants and such. As for the bubbles. I noticed when I got home today that half of them had gone away so I figured that was normal. I haven't read about using food for the cycle. You just add it in?
Thanks for the help

Kevin
I have never used the fishless way of cycling, but from what I understand (and there are articles on TRK in other posts that detail it) you "feed" your tank fish food, daily I believe, and as the food breaks down it is similar to the bioload fish give off.

The Beginners Guide to Freshwater Aquarium Cycle has posts that detail describe the fishless cycle and different ways to do it.

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...m-cycle-38617/

And you are more than welcome. And trust me, there is always something to learn and research when it comes to aquariums.

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post #12 of 74 Old 02-17-2011, 12:26 AM
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I've cycled my cichlid tank with flakes and i'm doing the same with my new 10 gallon. My 50 gallon took around 3 and a half weeks. This gives yourself a little more time as to figure out what you want in you tank. I just picked up the cheapest flakes I could find. Although using fish works well too, I prefer using flakes. Good luck!

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post #13 of 74 Old 02-17-2011, 03:04 PM
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i know ive read how many weeks it should take to cycle a tank but how do you know when your tank is cycled and ready for fish (if you do it the fishless way) or more fish (if the fish way)?
i plan on getting a smaller tank for a betta ( like 5 gal or something) and then between a 10-30 gal for other random fish
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i know ive read how many weeks it should take to cycle a tank but how do you know when your tank is cycled and ready for fish (if you do it the fishless way) or more fish (if the fish way)?
i plan on getting a smaller tank for a betta ( like 5 gal or something) and then between a 10-30 gal for other random fish
I'm obviously new at this but I think that after your ph and ammonia and nitrate levels have evened out is when you want to add the fish. I didn't get a kit when I got the tank but I'm going tonight when I get off work to get the liquid test kit. I read the paper ones aren't always accurate.
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post #15 of 74 Old 02-17-2011, 04:39 PM
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well when you cycle your tank the forst thing you are going to have is an ammonia spike. Following your ammonia spike will be a spike in your nitrites. After that you will he a spike in nitrates. One you see your nitrates you do a big water change. (75-90%) once that is done you are ready for fish
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I'm obviously new at this but I think that after your ph and ammonia and nitrate levels have evened out is when you want to add the fish. I didn't get a kit when I got the tank but I'm going tonight when I get off work to get the liquid test kit. I read the paper ones aren't always accurate.
well yes once your ammonia and nitrite levels are zero and your nitrates are going up your done. the cycle doesn't effect the ph though...

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post #17 of 74 Old 02-18-2011, 11:36 PM
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I just got my first aquarium. While I had one as a kid my dad always took care of it. I have a 29 gallon and I got it all hooked up for the cycling to start. I rinsed the gravel and put it in as well. I haven't added any plants and such yet. I noticed that air bubbles are gathering at where I can assume was the water lines when that was added. Will these go away or do I need to clean it myself. Also I am trying to figure out a good starting fish to help with the cycle in a couple days.

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while back when I was starting my fist tank I used a product called stress zyme which from what I remember helps build bio in tank
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while back when I was starting my fist tank I used a product called stress zyme which from what I remember helps build bio in tank
There are mixed reviews on whether or not Stress Zyme helps...some swear by it, others think it does nothing. I personally feel it helped cycle my tank much faster than normal. I used it on my 29 gallon and it fully cycled in 2 weeks. I used it on my 5 gallon tank, and it cycled in a week.

The comments about the ammonia and such spiking, then evening out is the correct answer for how to tell if a tank has cycled, and you can not tell that unless you have some sort of water testing kit. I agree that the liquid master tests are more accurate, but sometimes we cant afford them, in which case strips will work as some sort of guideline.

As far as water changes go, I personally would never do more than a 50% water change in any tank 55 gal and below, but that is just me. I believe smaller more frequent water changes are more effective. Even though my tank is established and cycled, I still only do a 25-35% water change once a week. Now, since I am having a cloudy issue due to either algae or phosfates (spelling?), I am doing a 50% water change ever 3 days to help combat it.

And I would NEVER do a 100% water change on a tank...regardless of what beneficial bacteria is in the gravel, filter, or where ever else, this could still send your tank into a new cycle.

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There are mixed reviews on whether or not Stress Zyme helps...some swear by it, others think it does nothing. I personally feel it helped cycle my tank much faster than normal. I used it on my 29 gallon and it fully cycled in 2 weeks. I used it on my 5 gallon tank, and it cycled in a week.

The comments about the ammonia and such spiking, then evening out is the correct answer for how to tell if a tank has cycled, and you can not tell that unless you have some sort of water testing kit. I agree that the liquid master tests are more accurate, but sometimes we cant afford them, in which case strips will work as some sort of guideline.

As far as water changes go, I personally would never do more than a 50% water change in any tank 55 gal and below, but that is just me. I believe smaller more frequent water changes are more effective. Even though my tank is established and cycled, I still only do a 25-35% water change once a week. Now, since I am having a cloudy issue due to either algae or phosfates (spelling?), I am doing a 50% water change ever 3 days to help combat it.

And I would NEVER do a 100% water change on a tank...regardless of what beneficial bacteria is in the gravel, filter, or where ever else, this could still send your tank into a new cycle.
Thank you for the clarification and help!
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post #20 of 74 Old 02-20-2011, 04:13 PM
You are more than welcomed. Hope your tank set up turns out awesome!!

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