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Old 09-23-2012, 12:39 PM   #11
 
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No, not entirely, as the plants need these things to thrive, and they should at that. Why no light? Light means floaters?
The floaters would eb the only plants that would get light in a water butt which is made of green plastic.... any plant in the rest of the water column would not get much light at all.
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:25 PM   #12
 
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Theres one of those cool ideas.
LOL! I agree!

Snappy has high levels of toxins in his tap water, so the original idea (though I'm not sure why he didn't put in the OP?) WAS to have floating plants or stem plants floating in the water in order to attempt to remove the impurities that would be found in the tap OR rainwater, or both, as will probably end up being the case, as the bucket will be outside.

So I think this thread was to figure out what issues might arise from using the rain water that can and will get into the bucket along with the tap water. . .

Snapz, I'm confused as to what the questions on this topic are now. . .

If you've decided that rainwater is not going to be pure enough to risk putting in your tank, we're back at square one, and I REALLY wish you had a basement to keep the thing indoors and use a light. Perhaps you could keep it in an area - like under the shade of a porch - where it will still get enough lighting to keep the plants healthy, but be protected from much rainwater getting in? My bucket is on my back porch, and the plants thrive, though it is in the shade most of the day.

Using a fine mesh screen will keep the buggies out and let enough light in, but won't do anything for any impurities that the plants can't take care of that might be present in the rain . . . Have you looked into trying to find any local environmental groups? I don't know about there, but around here there ARE people who actually test the rainwater regularly for toxins etc., and keep reports on the health of the local ecosystem. . . something maybe that you could look into? Oftentimes in my area, these groups can be found through the water supply company (they are often hired by the government) and/or through local colleges.

More research is needed for sure, but I'm STILL really excited about this experiment! So glad you're going to try it. I'd have done it myself, but I'm lucky enough to have nearly perfect water in my tap. Too bad everyone can't be so lucky!

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Old 09-24-2012, 05:29 AM   #13
 
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?? The Plants clean the water. ?? No need for RO.
Ah ok sorry i misunderstood.... ok so given that floating plants would only occupy the upper , maybe 1/3 of the water column.... and the rest of the column would be in darkness, would the floating plants make that much of a tangible difference?
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:49 AM   #14
 
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GREAT question! I have no idea!!!

My instinct tells me no because as long as the PLANTS have the sunlight to do their job, it doesn't matter if the water is in light or darkness - or how deep it is.

But you're right, that IS a deep bucket. The roots will grow long, but not THAT long. Hmmm. . . will they be able to clean beneath their own reach? I don't think I've ever read anything that would give me an idea of exactly how the plants 'eat' that could answer this question for you.

Can't hurt to give the old girl a stir every couple of days, though!!! We still aren't sure how long it'll take the plants to 'clean' that much water anyway. I can't wait for the results of this experiment!
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:53 AM   #15
 
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GREAT question! I have no idea!!!

My instinct tells me no because as long as the PLANTS have the sunlight to do their job, it doesn't matter if the water is in light or darkness - or how deep it is.

But you're right, that IS a deep bucket. The roots will grow long, but not THAT long. Hmmm. . . will they be able to clean beneath their own reach? I don't think I've ever read anything that would give me an idea of exactly how the plants 'eat' that could answer this question for you.

Can't hurt to give the old girl a stir every couple of days, though!!! We still aren't sure how long it'll take the plants to 'clean' that much water anyway. I can't wait for the results of this experiment!
The shame of it is that i cnat put a bubbler in to airate the water and stir it up a bit so the water gets circulated more and cleaned more!
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:36 AM   #16
 
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Yeah, I was thinking about that. You NEEEEEEEED a basement, man!!!
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:01 PM   #17
 
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The shame of it is that i cnat put a bubbler in to airate the water and stir it up a bit so the water gets circulated more and cleaned more!
hey i just read the whole two pages of articles about ur question for using rain water and plants in a long deep bucket to purify the water. why cant u have an air stone? small air pump, and a exstention cord should do the trick. Or for that matter why can't u get a small powerhead for the bucket to really move water along. i keep a spare one for when i need to make new salt water for my tank at home?
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:07 PM   #18
 
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I am setting up a water butt of 100 litres in the back garden to see if i can improve upon the water i put into my trop and fresh water tanks.... this is because we have crappy water from the tap which is full of nitrates and the possibility of RO water filter is nill for now.

SO my question is this: What can i expect to find form the rain water ? or from water that has been left to stand for a week?

Any opinions or ideas welcome!

Thanks Bill

FWIW nitrates should be no problem.

In a fw tank stocked with fast growing plants or a marine system with either an algae turf scrubber or refugium full of macro algaes, both should have unmeasurable nitrates and phosphates plus any jump in ammonia will be consumed before the nitrates as well. So any bumps in the night don't cause dangerous parameter spikes.

So any nitrates or phosphates in your tap water are simply not important. Definately not important enough to start collecting rain water for instance.

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Old 10-18-2012, 12:21 PM   #19
 
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FWIW nitrates should be no problem.

In a fw tank stocked with fast growing plants or a marine system with either an algae turf scrubber or refugium full of macro algaes, both should have unmeasurable nitrates and phosphates plus any jump in ammonia will be consumed before the nitrates as well. So any bumps in the night don't cause dangerous parameter spikes.

So any nitrates or phosphates in your tap water are simply not important. Definately not important enough to start collecting rain water for instance.

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