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post #41 of 62 Old 10-27-2010, 05:51 PM
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I am just not in agreement with the "neon" size characins in a 10g--and certainly not 8 of them--when there are so many other possibilities that will not be "on the brink" if you understand my meaning. Corys (3 "normal" size, or 7-9 of one of the dwarf species) work because they are mainly substrate fish (the medium sized ones, the dwarf species tend to spend more time mid-water than on the substrate) and 3 of them can have quite a time poking around some bits of bogwood, plants, etc. without requiring a lot of swimming space. Mid-water fish like tetra are a very different story. Neons are not particularly active swimmers, but they still should have some space to navigate. And the water quality issue is also pertinent; the two are connected and both are essential to keep in mind.

Assuming soft water, you have Ember Tetra, Mosquito Rasbora (there are several species in the Boraras genus, this one (Boraras brigittae) happens to be in our profiles so I use it), Scarlet Badis, Sparkling Gourami, various pencilfish, hatchetfish (the species in Carnegiella only, and of these Carnegiella myersi would be ideal but also Carnegiella marthae). And this only includes fish I happen to have myself and am familiar with. All of these will get along fine, though I am not suggesting all these in one 10g, but a choice of 3-4 is possible. Going this route, you may have to hunt a bit for the fish as some are less commonly available (maybe turn up a couple times a year, not always as neons usually are), but you will have more fish in the tank, they will be suitable and thus healthy, and there will be more variety with the various behaviours, water level activity, etc. And lots of plants as someone mentioned earlier.

I have a 10g presently; it has 7 Corydoras pygmaeus (which I often have to hunt for, there is so much plant growth they are forever exploring and sitting on leaves here and there) and 9 Boraras brigittae. I would add more fish, except I am also using this tank to raise my Farlowella fry, as it is in the window (natural light experiment) and algae readily grows in it. A trio of Sparkling gourami (I have these in my 33g at present) would fit in nicely. Lots of options, but keep the fish size in proportion to the tank space.

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post #42 of 62 Old 10-27-2010, 06:24 PM
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As I have said before I really don't think the neons are a good idea in the 10 gallon tank. Like Byron said they need more room.

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post #43 of 62 Old 10-27-2010, 08:38 PM Thread Starter
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Neons, no. Ok. That's cool. I would only be interested in them because of thier incredabley small size. I want all my fish to be happy.

Are hatchetfish expensive? Funny, I reasearched hatchetfish earlier today before people started posting. Soft water, pH is right, who knows? I am thinking maybe something like;
7 embers
3 albino corydoras
and maybe room for suggestions? I probably don't have room for embers and hatchets with the corydoras, right?

Also, I guess this isn't really off topic but in my other tank that I'm moving the Swordtails into seems a little bit understocked. I was going to put the corydoras in the tank with the swordtails until I learned that corydoras were soft water. Right now the setup is probably going to look like this;
2 Swordtails
3 Platy
and room for more?

I just want lots of fish for the room I have, but more importantly, I want my fish to be happy.

Open for suggestions, Thanks!

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post #44 of 62 Old 10-27-2010, 08:42 PM
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Remind me again what size is the other tank?

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post #45 of 62 Old 10-27-2010, 08:45 PM Thread Starter
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10g and a 10g.

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post #46 of 62 Old 10-28-2010, 05:48 AM Thread Starter
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Sorry for such a short message, I ran out of time. I plan to have a soft water 10 gallon (the one I have now), and a hard water 10 gallon (the one I don't have, yet).

Hello again. I've been researching my options a little better now. I don't think I will get hatchetfish. They are beautiful to look at but are diffacult to care for. I think I will go with the adorable little ember tetras. Also, I was going to put a ghost shrimp in with my lemons (back when I was thinking about keeping them) but now I am putting the corydoras in the soft water 10 gallon, so will the corydoras an shrimp be a problem?

Also, this is probably pushing it but there is no harm in asking. How about a trio of sparkling gouramis? Gouramis are probably one of my favorite fish, but I've never had one due to size and aggression. Or if a dwarf gourami wouldn't be a problem, worth a try (maybe).

The soft water setup would be something like this;
pH 6.2, temp 76, hardness 5-15? internal filter for reduced water flow.
6-8 Ember Tetras (depending on what else I get)
3 Albino Corydoras
maybe;
3 sparkling gouramis
-or-
1 dwarf gourami
Thats the plan anyway. I probably wont be able to get those gouramis in but, who knows, embers are small. A sparkling is only a tad bigger. I don't know how dwarfs and tetras would interact, though.

Any help is and will be appreciated! Thanks!

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post #47 of 62 Old 10-28-2010, 12:34 PM
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Sorry for such a short message, I ran out of time. I plan to have a soft water 10 gallon (the one I have now), and a hard water 10 gallon (the one I don't have, yet).

Hello again. I've been researching my options a little better now. I don't think I will get hatchetfish. They are beautiful to look at but are diffacult to care for. I think I will go with the adorable little ember tetras. Also, I was going to put a ghost shrimp in with my lemons (back when I was thinking about keeping them) but now I am putting the corydoras in the soft water 10 gallon, so will the corydoras an shrimp be a problem?

Also, this is probably pushing it but there is no harm in asking. How about a trio of sparkling gouramis? Gouramis are probably one of my favorite fish, but I've never had one due to size and aggression. Or if a dwarf gourami wouldn't be a problem, worth a try (maybe).

The soft water setup would be something like this;
pH 6.2, temp 76, hardness 5-15? internal filter for reduced water flow.
6-8 Ember Tetras (depending on what else I get)
3 Albino Corydoras
maybe;
3 sparkling gouramis
-or-
1 dwarf gourami
Thats the plan anyway. I probably wont be able to get those gouramis in but, who knows, embers are small. A sparkling is only a tad bigger. I don't know how dwarfs and tetras would interact, though.

Any help is and will be appreciated! Thanks!
I would have Sparkling Gourami over the Dwarf; there are issues health-wise with the latter fish these days, plus the size. The Sparkling and Embers is a good combo; are you set on the Albino corys? No problems, just asking, as the dwarf corys in your water would be perfect, and a group of 7 would add more interest. On the hatchets, the pygmy (Carnegiella myersi) is rather delicate, but the marthae in suitable water like yours should have no issues; a group of 6-7 would add interest at the surface. For a 10g that would in fact be quite an interesting and active display: hatchets, Embers, Sparkling gourami trio, corys.

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Wow! Incredible! So I can have something like;
6-7 ember tetras
6-7 mable hatchets
1-3 sparking gouramis
3-7 pygmy corydoras
I am not exactly sure about the numbers, though. If anyone has recomendations for the numbers, it would be appreciated. Wow, this is neat! Thanks!

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Wow! Incredible! So I can have something like;
6-7 ember tetras
6-7 mable hatchets
1-3 sparking gouramis
3-7 pygmy corydoras
I am not exactly sure about the numbers, though. If anyone has recomendations for the numbers, it would be appreciated. Wow, this is neat! Thanks!
Yes, this is the way to stock smaller tanks like a 10g, with small fish; you can have more so there is variety and interest. Trouble is, of course, some of these neat fish are not easy to find regularly; I frequently wait months for the fish I want in this or that tank, but it is worth the wait. And they have water parameter specifics, but you have that issue solved (lucky you).

Seven Embers, six hatchets, 3 sparkling gourami (definitely 3, they are social interactive fish and will readily spawn if you have male/female and floating plants), no less than 5 of the pygmy corys, 7 is better.

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post #50 of 62 Old 10-28-2010, 01:26 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you so much! Maybe my lfs can order some! They've ordered me supplies before (even though it took 2 weeks). Who knows? I think that setup sounds perfect! I had no idea what you could put in a 10 gallon aquarium! Thanks!

It will probably be about 2 weeks before I get everything setup. I can probably use water from my other tanks to skip having to cycle it.

I just have 1 question. To soften water using distilled, what is the percent of distilled water I would need to use? for example __% of a gallon.

If I can get everything set up as planned I might be able to post pics in a few weeks. Should I use this thread since everybody who helped is subscribed or should I start a new thread?

Thanks!
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