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Old 04-26-2013, 01:44 PM   #1
 
Community tank stock

I am looking to stock my 56 gallon lightly (for now) planted tank (still cycling, waiting for completion), and what I think I want is:
-15 neon tetra
-1 dwarf gourami (optional)
- 10 cherry barbs
- 1 betta (not optional)
- Ghost shrimp and nerite snails

What else could I put in there besides guppies and platies that will breed? It feels like the tank will be understocked. I really want several silver hatchets, but will this combination work? And lastly, what is a good sequence of adding the fish? Which goes first? I am cycling with ammonia and seeded filter/rock/wood media, so I expect the amount of beneficial bacteria to be quite high by the end of cycling.

I also love cory cats and would want them badly, but I guess with 100% Fluorite this is not an option.

Betta is not optional because I have had him for a while and he was getting greatly alone with cherry barbs, neons and guppies. He seems to be very peaceful, but I still worry about him and dwarf gourami's compatibility.

Thank you.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:20 PM   #2
 
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Putting anabantids together isnt a good idea, so I'll recommend against that. bettas and gouramis are both pretty darn territorial.

live bearers are your best bet for something that'll breed easily. platys, guppies, swordtails. mollies, maybe, if they're already accustomed to fresh water.

i kind of agree that your tank seems a little understocked especially if its planted. id suggest bottom feeders but i also don't know mug about flourite. there are several catfish and other bottom fish option though. maybe someone will chime in about the flourite thing :)

as for introductions, try adding the lesst aggressive first.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:20 PM   #3
 
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Welcome to the forum

Some people are adament about bettas being kept alone, on principle. Others, myself included, had great success keeping a betta in a community tank. The larger the tank, the higher your chances of success are. However, it's neer a guarantee so a back up plan is always needed. Too, it can work well for a while and one day everything is different.

I kept mine with cherry barbs and neons, among other fish, in a 30 gallon. I would not expect problems in a 56 gallon with the stock you want, but the possibility does exist. I would not keep a dwarf gourami with a betta though. I think that's just asking for trouble. Again, it might work out - the tank is pretty big. I'm all for tryin things and experimenting, as long as you have a backup plan.

The more you stock the tank, the higher the chances of running into a problem with the betta. If its mandatory that you have the betta, then you have to make stocking sacrifices. Go slow, is my best advice.
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:07 PM   #4
 
Thank you, jaysee.

I'll wait on the Gourami then. Maybe one day when I don't have a betta.

What about all above and 6 silver hatchets instead of live bearers? I didn't phrase myself correctly; I want something that WILL NOT readily breed. I don't guess my peaceful betta will eat all of their fry. If he would , maybe I could consider some sword tails. Or maybe keep only males of live bearers?

What other bottom dwellers could I keep with Fluorite substrate, except corys? Did anyone have any luck with corys and Fluorite? I totally don't want plecos for their size and general appearance.

Thank you.

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Old 04-26-2013, 03:30 PM   #5
 
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Catfish specialists do not recommend corys over Flourite and similar substrates due to the sharpness. Having tried this myself I can say it did not work for me. I had to move my corys out of the Flourite tank, they had barbel degeneration and bleeding mouths, both of which cleared up within a few days after going into the sand substrate tank. Even after almost 2 years, I could still feel the Flourite sharpness when I planted in it, which I have never experienced in all my years using fine gravel (and more recently sand).

I would avoid any burrowing fish too, like loaches, with Flourite. The Flourite Sand might be better, I had the larger "gravel" type, basic Flourite, though I would expect the composition to be the same and thus rough.

I also didn't find Flourite of much use with respect to plant growth, and after 2 years I tore the tank down and it now has sand. Plants are doing just as well.

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Old 04-26-2013, 05:55 PM   #6
 
I am a little shy as to how to vacuum sand and I do still like the color and texture of Fluorite somewhat. I wish I thought about corys' soft bellies before adding substrate and used sand or soil, so now no corys for me. What I am learning in this hobby is to plan, ask and research twenty times before changing anything. Thank you all for your help.
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Old 04-26-2013, 06:37 PM   #7
 
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I am a little shy as to how to vacuum sand and I do still like the color and texture of Fluorite somewhat. I wish I thought about corys' soft bellies before adding substrate and used sand or soil, so now no corys for me. What I am learning in this hobby is to plan, ask and research twenty times before changing anything. Thank you all for your help.
That is a big positive to learn, which sadly some don't (or won't). To ask beforehand, always. Know the answers before taking the step. This is especially critical when acquiring fish.
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Old 04-27-2013, 07:30 PM   #8
 
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I have the Flourite sand, and I can vouch for it being incredibly soft. It's even softer than my playsand, it honesty reminds me of dirt, haha. My kuhli loaches filter through it wonderfully.

I do agree with the regular flourite though, it is quite sharp :(

The only thing I would also look out for is the shrimp. Betta fish can sometimes kill them and gorge themselves on them, so I'd keep a close watch on his behavior.

Pictures of the set-up would be awesome! :D

P.S. Does the tank already have the flourite in it?
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Old 04-28-2013, 10:11 AM   #9
 
Yes, Fluorite is there and some plants in it. Planning to add 10-12 more low-light plants and currently soaking some driftwood. I am VERY bad at aquascaping, but will post pictures when I feel it's more or less acceptable looking and the plants filled out somewhat. All of you guys have such awesome looking tanks I can only drool. I will also look into some loaches.
Betta I currently have ignored ghost shrimp which I plan to add but tried to snack on the RCS. I currently have some newborn cherry shrimplets in my 10gal and betta is delegated to a temporary 1.5 gal setup. Can't wait for him to go into the large tank, but I think he will be the last one to go in due to some dominance issues. He also gets nipped by tetras so I still am debating whether a large school of neons will leave him be.
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Old 04-28-2013, 10:27 AM   #10
 
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Betta I currently have ignored ghost shrimp which I plan to add but tried to snack on the RCS. I currently have some newborn cherry shrimplets in my 10gal and betta is delegated to a temporary 1.5 gal setup. Can't wait for him to go into the large tank, but I think he will be the last one to go in due to some dominance issues. He also gets nipped by tetras so I still am debating whether a large school of neons will leave him be.
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Probably not. This is why the majority of aquarists hold that Betta are not community fish. The Betta may go after other fish, or the other fish may go after a Betta. Either way is highly stressful for the fish being targeted.
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