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Old 12-29-2010, 12:12 AM   #1
 
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Angel Restocking

I am in need of some advice.


After I put plants in my tank a few days later my angels started acting funny. Yesterday 2 died. I couldn't figure out why. I tested and found 0 ammonia/nitrite/nitrate and my other fish seem fine. I do weekly water changes and other than a bristlenose pleco I have not added anything in weeks. I remember when I was putting in the plants they were eating them, and before they died 2 were not eating. It leads me to believe that the plants they ate effected their digestive system.


Anyways, 1 looks healthy and the other is a little lethargic. I am not really sure what to do now. If I understand correctly they need a shoal of at least 4 but I also hear that adding new angels can lead to them being picked on until they die. Another problem is that I cannot find these angels in the area(they were a gift from a friend who got them an hour away) and I am afraid that different color strains of angels will lead to more aggression.

So I don't know if I should leave the single angel(or 2 if both live), sell them to the fish store and start over, or add new ones to the shoal.

Any advice?
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Old 12-29-2010, 10:04 PM   #2
 
Hello! I am sorry to hear about your angels. I have one angel in my tank (also a gift) and have been looking for a mate for him for some time, he is perfectly healthy on his own but they need to be kept in mated pairs or shoals.

However, I would not add anymore fish until you get down to the bottom of this, do you know what kind of plant you added? This might be very helpful in determining if indeed your fish were poisoned/killed by the plants.

Additionally, many feel that strip tests can be very inaccurate, regardless posting your parameters will also be helpful, even if they look normal. (also post brand and type of test.)

I hope your sluggish angel pulls through!
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Old 12-30-2010, 12:27 AM   #3
 
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well I am left with on angel, the other died last night.

here is a list of plants I put in, they were all ordered from sweetaquatics and planted at the same time.

Echinodorus Bleheri(Amazon Sword)
Lilaeopsis Mauritiana
Barteri var. Nana Narrowleaf
Bacopa Australis x4
Asiatica var Biwaensis (corkscrew val)
Spiralis (Italian Val) x5 (vallisnerias)
Walkeri Potted x2 (crypto)
Java Moss x5


I use the api liquid master kit.



I doubt I can create a pair by just adding another fish. I am unsure of the sex of my current angel and I don't really know where I can find one at the same size. Even if I did know those things there is still a pretty large chance they won't pair anyways. I am left with my other 3 options, keep him, sell him, or add more to the shoal.

I suppose I could move him to my 10 gallon for a week by himself, add the new ones and let them get aquainted with the tank, then add the one I have back to the tank but that seems like a lot of stress and still a good chance there will be aggression.

I am probably just going to have to make a decision and see how it goes because no one I have asked had a good answer for me yet.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:43 PM   #4
 
I wish I could help more, I have most of those plants in my aquarium as well and my angel has not had any issues with them. My one angel seems happy on his own (he has been alone since he was born though) so it could be different with your angel.

Perhaps a plant expert on here can shed some light on the issue as I am coming up blank for most of those plants. (a few I don't know.)
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:08 PM   #5
 
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No worries. It is a pretty specific question, I wasn't really sure if anyone would know.

I am most likely just going to get 3-4 angels and see how it goes.
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Old 01-01-2011, 05:23 PM   #6
 
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There are no certain answers to your question, only "normal" behaviours which may or may not materialize. You don't mention the tank size, so if you had a group of 4-5 originally and from your comments indicating you have done research beforehand, I am assuming it is a 4-foot (maybe 55g) or larger. If the surviving angel is a female, adding another group of 4 should not pose problems if done reasonably soon--but on this, I agree with the previous member's suggestion of finding the problem with the sudden deaths before adding anything to that tank. I'm not much on disease issues, and I would doubt it was the plants though it may have been something on the plants. Or something else unrelated to the plants.

If the surviving angel is a male, things are a bit riskier, especially if it is a dominant fish by nature; it will view the tank as its territory period. Did you notice any dominant behaviour when they were all together? Once fish are settled, such things usually manifest themselves fairly easily.

If the surviving angel is still smallish, and those added are roughly the same size, it also should be less risky.

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Old 01-01-2011, 06:23 PM   #7
 
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The last angel passed away this morning.

Yeah they were in a 4 foot long 55 gallon. Honestly it is probably best that the last one passed, I could not sex them from everything I read, and I wouldn't want to bring in more angels and have aggression or more deaths.

I still cannot for the life of me think of any other reasons they might have died though. Ph has been the same and 0 ammo/nitrites/nitrates.

Fish were fine one day, then hiding together in a small area of vegetation the next. They did not eat. When they got worse they would list on their side slightly, become more lethargic, and lost the contrast in their stripes.

Upon examining the dead fish I used a bright light and magnifying glass, I looked for hole-in-head, velvet, anchors, ich, and any other visible signs of disease. The fish looked perfectly healthy to me, though I am not very experienced in diseases. I just go by what I read about and pictures. No redness, no scratches, no damages, nothing out of the ordinary.

I feed them tetra tropical color enhance flakes, once a week frozen blood worms, and once a week freeze dried mysis shrimp.

I do a 25-30% water change weekly and monitor water parameters every 3 days or so.



My other fish are still unaffected.
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:04 PM   #8
 
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The last angel passed away this morning.

Yeah they were in a 4 foot long 55 gallon. Honestly it is probably best that the last one passed, I could not sex them from everything I read, and I wouldn't want to bring in more angels and have aggression or more deaths.

I still cannot for the life of me think of any other reasons they might have died though. Ph has been the same and 0 ammo/nitrites/nitrates.

Fish were fine one day, then hiding together in a small area of vegetation the next. They did not eat. When they got worse they would list on their side slightly, become more lethargic, and lost the contrast in their stripes.

Upon examining the dead fish I used a bright light and magnifying glass, I looked for hole-in-head, velvet, anchors, ich, and any other visible signs of disease. The fish looked perfectly healthy to me, though I am not very experienced in diseases. I just go by what I read about and pictures. No redness, no scratches, no damages, nothing out of the ordinary.

I feed them tetra tropical color enhance flakes, once a week frozen blood worms, and once a week freeze dried mysis shrimp.

I do a 25-30% water change weekly and monitor water parameters every 3 days or so.



My other fish are still unaffected.
That is sad. I am not much on disease, but I will ask a couple questions, as others with more experience in this area may have suggestions.

How long have you had the angels? What other fish are in the tank? What is the pH (and hardness if known)? Are there plants, or other cover? All along, have the angels been "normal" or were they attempting to hide/huddled together, etc?
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:44 PM   #9
 
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I had the angels for 3 months. From my observations they looked extremely healthy. They were active but not skittish, their stripes looked extremely bold, they had a large appetite, they were responsive and curious to what I was doing outside the tank, and were extremely peaceful with their tank mates.


ph is 7.4 and has remained the same ever time I tested it

dKH is 15, as reported from the water quality test from the city.

Tank mates are:
3 platy
6 Black Phantom Tetra
4 false julii corydoras
1 albino bristlenose pleco

The pleco was the last thing added and before that was the tetras(about 3-4 weeks earlier)

Originally there was some cover provided from driftwood and rocks. Then I added plants

Echinodorus Bleheri(Amazon Sword)
Lilaeopsis Mauritiana
Barteri var. Nana Narrowleaf
Bacopa Australis x4
Asiatica var Biwaensis (corkscrew val)
Spiralis (Italian Val) x5 (vallisnerias)
Walkeri Potted x2 (crypto)
Java Moss x5

all from sweetsquatics and planted at the same time.


They all seemed healthy and happy from my general observations until 4-5 days after I planted the tank. For the plants I drained a bucket of water, unpacked the plants, rinsed them in tank water, then planted. I put in new water, dechlorinated, to replace the water I took out.

I then noticed a few days later the angels huddled up under some uprooted plants that floated to the top. Other than at that point I never noticed anything that I would consider strange behavior for them.
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:50 PM   #10
 
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Nothing in your last post jumps out at me to suggest the source of the sudden demise of the angels. Especially since no other fish are showing any changes (assuming this is the case).
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