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post #11 of 20 Old 07-03-2010, 09:55 PM Thread Starter
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thanks so much, thats really helpful. I was thinking having two heaters was probably a good idea. I have a rather unconventional filter which I made myself after having a lot of trouble with other filters. Its way too small for the bigger tank, but its very effective in the tank I have it in at the moment and if I bought a second air pump I could make another one and put one at either end just like the heaters.
I'm starting to plan out how to set up my 10 g tank. I know it's pretty small comparitively...you're all so lucky having huge 55 g tanks :( I have hopes of making it work though.
how long should and angelfish live for, if kept in the right conditions?
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post #12 of 20 Old 07-04-2010, 11:31 AM
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thanks so much, thats really helpful. I was thinking having two heaters was probably a good idea. I have a rather unconventional filter which I made myself after having a lot of trouble with other filters. Its way too small for the bigger tank, but its very effective in the tank I have it in at the moment and if I bought a second air pump I could make another one and put one at either end just like the heaters.
I'm starting to plan out how to set up my 10 g tank. I know it's pretty small comparitively...you're all so lucky having huge 55 g tanks :( I have hopes of making it work though.
how long should and angelfish live for, if kept in the right conditions?
Angels can live 10-15 years.

What sort of filter? Another point of setting up a tank is that filtration in any aquarium should be suited to the fish kept in the aquarium. This is another aspect of "compatibility" when placing various fish species in the same aquarium. They must all share similar if not identical requirements in water chemistry and environment, and under the latter I include things like plants, rock, wood, caves, and filtration. A filter that causes the angelfish to be battling currents is not suitable as these are quiet sedate fish that live in flooded forests and very slow-flowing streams where they congretate along the banks where the current is slowest, among roots, branches, and plants. Their vertical striped patterns is aclue to their environment; they blend in with tall plants, vertical roots and branches. And when placed in such an environment, they will be more relaxed and that means healthier.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #13 of 20 Old 07-04-2010, 05:15 PM
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Hm, The two heater idea is a good one. I swear I learn something new every day. :)
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post #14 of 20 Old 07-04-2010, 05:34 PM
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Hm, The two heater idea is a good one. I swear I learn something new every day. :)
I heat that, me too!!

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post #15 of 20 Old 07-04-2010, 08:52 PM Thread Starter
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thanks everyone, this site is amazing, I've learnt so much here already and only been signed up for a few days!
you're not going to like this but my filter is homemade.
I had trouble with commercial filters. apart from being a pain to maintain, the current was always too strong for the fish. my filter is made from a plastic insert from a breeding trap, some filter wool and an air pump and air stone. it's very gentle but very effective, and really easy to clean.

I have another question which isn't really related to filters but whatever :)
I'm in the middle of planning the setup of a new tank. I need to know what order to add the fish in. unfortunately some of the species I want are a little delicate. here is a list of the fish I might have in my tank (I'm unlikely to get all of them.)

angelfish (definite)
golden three-spot gourami (definite)
rams
cardinal tetras
red-tailed black shark
bristlenose catfish

Can someone tell me which, if any, of these fish would be suitable for cycling the tank and what order I should add them? also how much time between adding fishes?
thanks :)
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thanks everyone, this site is amazing, I've learnt so much here already and only been signed up for a few days!
you're not going to like this but my filter is homemade.
I had trouble with commercial filters. apart from being a pain to maintain, the current was always too strong for the fish. my filter is made from a plastic insert from a breeding trap, some filter wool and an air pump and air stone. it's very gentle but very effective, and really easy to clean.

I have another question which isn't really related to filters but whatever :)
I'm in the middle of planning the setup of a new tank. I need to know what order to add the fish in. unfortunately some of the species I want are a little delicate. here is a list of the fish I might have in my tank (I'm unlikely to get all of them.)

angelfish (definite)
golden three-spot gourami (definite)
rams
cardinal tetras
red-tailed black shark
bristlenose catfish

Can someone tell me which, if any, of these fish would be suitable for cycling the tank and what order I should add them? also how much time between adding fishes?
thanks :)
There is nothing really wrong with home-made filters. From what you've told us, yours are probably perfect. For tanks under 55g I usually suggest a simple sponge filter, which is basically what you have described. It moves the water gently (important for many fish and plants) and removes suspended particulate matter. In a planted tank this is all one needs. And planted tanks is what you certainly need for some of the fish you list.

So, to your list. First question is, what size tank are you planning? I previously mentioned angels requiring at least a 55g. Nothing less is workable, unless you just have a mated pair of angels, and that might work in a 40g. tall. The redtail black shark also needs space, these grow to 6+ inches and live 8 years. They are aggressive with any bottom fish, and while some aquarists have had relatively "peaceful" specimens many others have not. The other fish mentioned are compatible, in the sense that they share similar water requirements (the ram needs warmth, 82F or more, the gourami is fine at this, as are cardinals. I won't go further into this, as your question was on cycling with these fish.

No is the short answer. Rams, cardinals and gourami are all very sensitive when it comes to water conditions and should only be added to established tanks. An established tank is one that has not only cycled but has then established itself for another month or so. Cycling is one thing, but the tank also needs time for the biological processes to become settled. Some fish can manage with instability, others cannot. I would not use any of your fish as "first" in a new tank.

I mentioned plants, all of these need plants to feel secure. Cardinals spend their time among plants, they do not like bright light; gourami are all the same. Angels also prefer subdued light and floating plants is one of the best ways to achieve this for all these fish. Plants will "cycle" a new tank instantly; but the fish need to be other than those mentioned.

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post #17 of 20 Old 07-05-2010, 12:18 AM Thread Starter
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thanks a lot, the tank I have at the moment is very heavily planted and not lit, and I have the heater set to around 27 Celsius. unfortunately I can't sell my angelfish which will probably outgrow my tank. but I can reconsider the red-tail shark, I've heard they can be quite a menace :S
I cycled the tank I have at the moment using water snails! would that work in a 10 gallon tank? if not what fish could I use?
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thanks a lot, the tank I have at the moment is very heavily planted and not lit, and I have the heater set to around 27 Celsius. unfortunately I can't sell my angelfish which will probably outgrow my tank. but I can reconsider the red-tail shark, I've heard they can be quite a menace :S
I cycled the tank I have at the moment using water snails! would that work in a 10 gallon tank? if not what fish could I use?
As you have experience with planted tanks, I strongly suggest using plants to cycle new tanks. Just set up the 10g, plant it well, condition the water, get the filter and heater working--I like to do this the day before I add fish so the next day I know the heater and filter are working properly. If all's well, add a few fish. In a 10g, only a couple. The plants assimilate the ammonia, there is basically no cycle. Slowly add the fish (in a 10g this will not be many anyway). I set up all my tanks like this, and have never had issues.

Byron Hosking, BMus, MA
Vancouver, BC, Canada

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #19 of 20 Old 07-05-2010, 10:20 PM Thread Starter
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that sounds pretty much exactly like the plan I formulated last night, thanks for confirming it :) I've realised its almost exactly like the 'big clean' I give my little tank every 6 months or so, where I replace all the water, scrub the glass, clean the algae of the heater and put everything back. I put the fish straight in and it seems fine. I guess because the bacteria are already established on the decor and filter, there isn't a problem.
I'm going to start by adding my gourami, because she's small and shouldn't overload the tank too much. I'd add the angelfish too but I want to leave that until all the more delicate fish are established because he can be territorial.
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post #20 of 20 Old 07-05-2010, 10:58 PM Thread Starter
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I just thought of another question, what do I do if I go on holiday? The longest I'm likely to ever go away is about a month. I'd have to get someone in to feed the fish wouldn't I? I went away a few months ago for about 3 weeks and the two fish I have were fine but in a larger community tank especially with fish like rams it would be a problem...my tank at the moment practically maintains itself probably thanks to all the plants. I'm hoping I'l be able to get the new tank running that well too, but the fish still need to eat!
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