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post #21 of 36 Old 07-11-2012, 01:04 PM Thread Starter
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Thaanks again Byron! :)

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post #22 of 36 Old 07-12-2012, 01:10 PM Thread Starter
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I GOT PLAY SAND :) :)

So happy! OMG it was so dirty I had rinsed it well 5 times before the water wasn't brown. Took me about an hour and now it is nice and clean. I actually got it from Rona since it was closer. And it was beside a 7/11 and it was free Slurpee day :p I settles really well too. I love it!! Watch me put it in all my tanks now . . . will try Bubbles tank today :))

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post #23 of 36 Old 07-16-2012, 05:36 PM Thread Starter
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What the heck?? I tested the tapwater today and instead of being 6.4ish like it was beforehand. It is now 7.6, with the sand it was more blue and I ended up having to use the pool tester becuase mine did not go that high. It is more red then the 8.2 result. OMG I am sooo mad!!! O_O

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What the heck?? I tested the tapwater today and instead of being 6.4ish like it was beforehand. It is now 7.6, with the sand it was more blue and I ended up having to use the pool tester becuase mine did not go that high. It is more red then the 8.2 result. OMG I am sooo mad!!! O_O
Are you saying the water in the tank rose in pH after the sand went in, or that the tap water on its own is higher in pH now? Just want to be clear.

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Its higher on its own, and get even higher with the sand.
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Its higher on its own, and get even higher with the sand.
So ticked off right now.
I would doubt the sand is doing this. I'll explain.

Tap water has some amount of dissolved CO2 in it; this varies, depending where you are. When testing tap water for pH, always either let the tap water sit overnight, or put some in a bottle and shake it very briskly for a couple minutes. This out-gasses the CO2. Then test the pH. Depending upon the amount of CO2, the pH will be higher after the CO2 is out-gassed than it was prior. CO2 creates carbonic acid that naturally lowers the pH.

Try this and see what you get for the tap water. Which then should be close to the tank water. Playsand has no calcareous substances in it to affect water chemistry, at least my playsand doesn't.

It is possible the municipal water can change in pH. The source of the water may be variable due to environmental factors from season to season; there may be more than one source and the water in each source may be different; or the municipality may add some substance to alter the pH. The latter is common if the source water is acidic, since this has a tendency to gradually dissolve water pipes, appliances, water heaters, etc because of the acidity, so they add sodium ash or whatever to keep the pH higher.

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The water I had tested had been sitting out for a couple of days, same with the water with the sand. I know fish can adapt to higher pH, but I dont think they can adapt to this.

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The water I had tested had been sitting out for a couple of days, same with the water with the sand. I know fish can adapt to higher pH, but I dont think they can adapt to this.
Well, leave it regardless. I have had fluctuations in pH caused by the water source and you can't really do anything about that. My tanks have for months and years been down around pH 5 and 6 (depending if I buffer). Within the past few weeks, they have all been in the high 6's. I've tracked it down to the source water (tap water). There's no other explanation. And i can't change this.

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Maybe i didnt shake it long enough or put in enough or too many drops, but in a better light after counting out loud 5 seconds it is 6.8. I am so tired right now, spent the weekend at the peewee b provincials with my friend anouncing and too much concession food.
My friend who loves fish is coming over tomorrow so ill see what she thinks. I sorry to bother you with this,i really am.

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Maybe i didnt shake it long enough or put in enough or too many drops, but in a better light after counting out loud 5 seconds it is 6.8. I am so tired right now, spent the weekend at the peewee b provincials with my friend anouncing and too much concession food.
My friend who loves fish is coming over tomorrow so ill see what she thinks. I sorry to bother you with this,i really am.
You are not bothering any of us, no fear of that.

Just don't jump into something. I know what it is like to suddenly discover something and want to immediately "fix" it. But chances are, the change was relatively gradual, and the fish have adjusted. Until everything connected to the issue is recognized, it is risky to start fiddling with this or that. And especially when it comes to water parameters. There are many factors that impact the chemistry of aquaria water, and making even a slight change to one can significantly alter others. What has occurred naturally is usually not as much trouble.

Byron.

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