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Old 01-30-2012, 12:40 PM   #1
 
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120g Angel Tank

I'm planning up my dream tank, have the equipment all nailed down along with an idea of what I'll do for live plants (lots).

Now comes the question of what to put in the tank... that's the hard part in my opinion.

I have soft water (GH 25 ppm, KH ~40ppm) and with driftwood, my pH is ~6.8 (tap is 7.4-7.6 but water supply says it can range up to 8).

My 'must have' fish that I'm making this for will be a school of Angelfish. The tank is a 120g 48"x24"x24", filter will probably be a Rena XP3. Lighting is less firm at this point, either a dual 48" T8 or I may do a custom concoction of my own using high power LEDs. Substrate will be sand.

So, this is what I have so far:

Scalare Angelfish x6
Diamond Tetra x10
Congo Tetra x10
Bristlenose Pleco x1
Pepper Cory x6

Comments/Opinions? I kind of want to add loaches, but I doubt I have room. I was thinking six Black Kuhli Loach. Reading over the profiles the one for angels say loaches are good tank mates, but reading profiles on the loaches most of them say they are fin nippers so... I'm not sure what good choices are for angels.

I'm also considering only having a single tetra species (or or the other) and just having a larger school.
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Old 01-30-2012, 01:14 PM   #2
 
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While I can't speak for any of the other fish (other than personal preference about schools), I can speak for the black kuhli loach. I have kept them for the past 5 years, and they are not nippy. It is the deep-bodied loaches like the clown loach or yoyo loach that can get nippy. In fact I rarely ever see my Pangio loaches except at feeding time. I would go with either loaches or corys for a substrate fish as the larger the group, the more active both species are.

One extra note: if you do decide to go for Pangio loaches, I would get the kuhli loach over the black kuhli loach as the former is much hardier.

And if you want more info on loaches you can check out Loaches Online
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:52 PM   #3
 
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I concur with Izzy on the loaches. If you want one of the Botia species, Botia kubotai would probably be fine. I have a group of these in with some Congo Tetra and there is no suggestion of nipping, and I see that in the profile i mention gourami as tankmates which I wouldn't if nipping was in the cards.

On the Congo, a truly beautiful tetra, but very active. Mine hold races every day, 2 or 3, and sometimes 4 of the males will line up and charge down the tank, fins flared, then circle each other. Quite a site. But I would probably not add angelfish due to their activity level. Diamond Tetra are not quite so active, if memory serves me; I had a group of them back in 1997 or so.

Some (but not all) of the Hyphessobrycon species will work with angelfish, and here you can add some nice red colour and keep that disk shape. H. roberti is my favourite, then there's H. rosaceus. Hemigrammus pulcher is another good match, if you can find them. The Hyphessobrycon tend to remain in the lower third, while H. pulcher is always just above mid range in the water column. Some hatchetfish for the surface perhaps?
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:57 PM   #4
 
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The Botia kubotai look nice, and they should at $33 a pop hehe, too rich for my blood I'm afraid. I'll try and see if I could get the regular Kuhli Loach, I like how they look better than the black but that's all I've been able to find to buy(so far).

I was actually thinking I need a top fish. I didn't realize Hatchet fish were, so maybe get some Marble Hatchets in place of the Congo Tetras.

I'm always afraid of going overboard hehe. I might be able to find Flame Tetras in the area.
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:46 PM   #5
 
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Byron, your description of your Congo tetras made me laugh. They sound like an entertaining bunch! Racehorses in a tank!

Geomancer, I have trouble finding any loaches where I am. I have seen the regular kuhlis (Pangio kuhli) sold on Aquabid for a very fair price.
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:35 PM   #6
 
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The Botia kubotai look nice, and they should at $33 a pop hehe, too rich for my blood I'm afraid. I'll try and see if I could get the regular Kuhli Loach, I like how they look better than the black but that's all I've been able to find to buy(so far).

I was actually thinking I need a top fish. I didn't realize Hatchet fish were, so maybe get some Marble Hatchets in place of the Congo Tetras.

I'm always afraid of going overboard hehe. I might be able to find Flame Tetras in the area.
If you're not set on loaches (I had thought from previously that you were), I would stay with corys. There are so many, and they suit angelfish. I have over 30 corys in my 5-foot 115g, some dozen species. Whiptail Catfish would work too, with corys. And Farlowella, another interesting fish.

Don't be in a rush, sometimes fish are seasonal (wild caught always are). I have myself made the mistake of buying something just because i wanted to add some fish, and later regretted it. Don't mean problem fish, though i've had those too, but just fillers and then along comes something I really wanted.
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:55 AM   #7
 
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Yeah, I'm not too dead set on anything except the Angelfish.

I started with the corys because I wasn't sure on what loaches would be suitable. I plan on having the water at about 79 degrees or so since Angels prefer warmer water, which I believe is high/extreme edge for corys and the whiptail catfish.

So I guess now I'm at:

Scalare Angelfish x6
Diamond Tetra x10
Flame Tetra*** x10
Marble Hatchetfish*** x10
Bristlenose Pleco x1
Kuhli Loach x6 (maybe Angelicus Loach)


I mentioned the Angelicus Loach to my wife, and their $33 price tag. She seams to think she saw them at Petsmart so I'll have to take a look next time I'm in one. The $33 was from Aquarium Fish: Tropical Freshwater Fish and Saltwater Fish for Home Aquariums If a local store has them for a resonalbe price (maybe the $33 is for wild caught) they become a possibility.

***Profile says these are only 1.5 inches in size ... would that be too small for the angels? I know they can get a bit ... hungry if something fits in their mouth ;) Silver Hatchetfish are an inch larger, but can't say I like the color.
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Old 01-31-2012, 01:21 PM   #8
 
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I started with the corys because I wasn't sure on what loaches would be suitable. I plan on having the water at about 79 degrees or so since Angels prefer warmer water, which I believe is high/extreme edge for corys and the whiptail catfish.
Unless you intend getting wild-caught angelfish, they will be better at a slightly lower temperature, around 77F. It is only the wild angels that need 82F and up.

So this allows for corys and Whiptail; my 30+ corys and 4 whiptails (including a trio of those red ones) are in my 115g which is 77-78F and I've kept these fish like this for many years.

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I mentioned the Angelicus Loach to my wife, and their $33 price tag. She seams to think she saw them at Petsmart so I'll have to take a look next time I'm in one. The $33 was from Aquarium Fish: Tropical Freshwater Fish and Saltwater Fish for Home Aquariums If a local store has them for a resonalbe price (maybe the $33 is for wild caught) they become a possibility.
I think I paid $12 each for my Botia kubotai. Don't see them often. If you're in the US, have a look at online sites. AnubiasDesign owned by Mark Denaro is reliable and they get a lot of interesting fish in season.

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Profile says these are only 1.5 inches in size ... would that be too small for the angels? I know they can get a bit ... hungry if something fits in their mouth ;) Silver Hatchetfish are an inch larger, but can't say I like the color.
You are starting fresh, so presumably the angelfish will be relatively small. Stock the tank with everything else first (tetra, hatchets, corys, etc) and add the angels last. Fish growing up with other fish are less likely to look at them as food; I've never read of angels going after hatchets, but that doesn't rule out the possibility of course. They tend to be more problematic with the long torpedo-shaped fish like neons, cardinals, etc.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:34 PM   #9
 
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I've been thinking about this more as the time approaches. I did some measuring and did find a place I could fit a 125g in.

That's better than a 120g isn't it (forget the extra 5 gallons...)? It has a little extra surface area which I think is more important for the fish, but it isn't a huge difference (or is it?). 1296 sq in versus 1152 sq in.

However, it comes with two concerns. One is it is in our bedroom, how loud is a typical canister filter?

And two, it is about twice as far from a faucet ... how far can you make a python work (or similar)?

For the fish selected above, would they be happier in a 6ft x 1.5ft tank versus a 4ft x 2ft tank?
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:52 PM   #10
 
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I've been thinking about this more as the time approaches. I did some measuring and did find a place I could fit a 125g in.

That's better than a 120g isn't it (forget the extra 5 gallons...)? It has a little extra surface area which I think is more important for the fish, but it isn't a huge difference (or is it?). 1296 sq in versus 1152 sq in.

However, it comes with two concerns. One is it is in our bedroom, how loud is a typical canister filter?

And two, it is about twice as far from a faucet ... how far can you make a python work (or similar)?

For the fish selected above, would they be happier in a 6ft x 1.5ft tank versus a 4ft x 2ft tank?
On the tank size, 6 feet is definitely better than 4 feet for the angelfish. And loaches too. The width at 24 inches will jut into the room a lot; my 5-foot and 4-foot tanks are all 18 inches width.

Canister filter: Eheim is absolutely silent. I have a fish room with three canisters on tanks, two Eheim and one Rena XP3. The smaller tanks are on sponge filters with an air pump. When I have the air pump off during water changes, I cannot hear the Eheims at all. And in my former home I had just the three large tanks with three Eheims and never knew they were on unless I looked to see the water movement at the spray bar. Eheim is simply the best filter there is.

I bought the Rena two years ago because I wanted another canister and no one here carried Eheim at that time. It works fine as a filter, but it can be heard. Not much, but if this were in my sleeping room, I would hear it. I wouldn't hear the Eheims.

Pythons have hose extensions in 25-foot lengths. You just unscrew whichever end and attach. I have a 75-foot Python to get from my laundry room sink to the fish room. You get some exercise scurrying back and forth but it works fine. Just have to watch the filling, to avoid overflows.
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