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Old 10-11-2011, 01:45 PM   #21
 
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Ok.. I'll keep an eye. The cories are swimming around the tank actively.. Everyone seems to be fine. Would they be at the surface of the water if they're having problems breathing, because no one's been at the top, or hanging out at the bottom of the tank either.. The shrimp are seemingly eating it too..

The cypress knees are actually the roots of the cypress tree, would they have a lot of sap in them? I didn't think sap was in the roots of trees..
I would watch the respiration. If it is laboured (heavy, faster than normal), might be trouble. Gasping at the surface would follow. Lethargy would likely accompany these.
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:47 PM   #22
 
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I would watch the respiration. If it is laboured (heavy, faster than normal), might be trouble. Gasping at the surface would follow. Lethargy would likely accompany these.
The neons are the only ones that kindof look like they're breathing a bit faster to me.. the rasboras, corys and GBRs look completely normal. Corys will go up to the water surface to get air sometimes, don't they? I haven't seen them do that.. I've heard they'll sometimes do that if they're low on oxygen.. The frog isn't going to the surface any more than normal either.

Everyone's brightly colored too.. and swimming actively. And they're looking hungry. :)

At least I have today off, I'll be keeping an eye on them for the day..
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:07 PM   #23
 
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The neons are the only ones that kindof look like they're breathing a bit faster to me.. the rasboras, corys and GBRs look completely normal. Corys will go up to the water surface to get air sometimes, don't they? I haven't seen them do that.. I've heard they'll sometimes do that if they're low on oxygen.. The frog isn't going to the surface any more than normal either.

Everyone's brightly colored too.. and swimming actively. And they're looking hungry. :)

At least I have today off, I'll be keeping an eye on them for the day..
Corys must "breathe" air or they will literally drown. All fish in the Callichthyidae must "swallow" a gulp of air, and blood vessels in the hind gut extract oxygen; when depleted, up they go for another gulp and they expel the previous air. If the fish is prevented from doing this, it will die, so it is normal behaviour. Frequency depends upon species, tank water temp, activity (eating, more activity means more oxygen needed), etc. I would look more for the other signs as trouble, rather than trying to determine if surface visits increase, though this too is telling.
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Old 10-11-2011, 05:10 PM   #24
 
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Ok, I thought so.. I'd never done much research on the behaviour other than making sure it was normal for them to breathe at the surface. I'm just trying to look at everything I can think of that might indicate something is wrong with them.

Everyone's still looking great so far.. breathing's been the same and they're all still brightly colored and active. I was worried about the female GBR because it looked like she was breathing heavily, but upon further observation I realized she's actually eating some of the fuzz in the water column that came off the driftwood when I finished a partial water change. I can actually see her chasing pieces around.. so.. hopefully it's not harmful!

I've heard that mollys love this stuff, but I don't want molly nor is my water in any way appropriate for them, soft and acidic? That'll be a no-no. I've also heard plecos and otos like it too.. now I wish I had got some otos previously, but the only place I've ever seen them is at Walmart, and although I think they look fairly healthy, their tanks are not well kept so I'd rather not buy any fish from them. Especially such a fragile species..


I'd read plenty of places that cypress is fine to use in the tanks, it just sometimes releases oil at first which you'll see at the top of the tank and I don't see that as of yet. I also know that fresh cypress wood isn't the best to use and needs to be boiled several times before being used in a fish tank. Cypress knees are often boiled and have the bark removed once they're harvested before any of it's uses. This wood then spent several years in an attic in storage and was boiled again before I bought it. I boiled it some myself and also soaked it before putting it in my tank.
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:35 PM   #25
 
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Well, an update. I'm a bit confused.. my GBRs look to me like they're starting to spawn, so I'm assuming they must be happy.. but I lost another rasbora yesterday - so two total loses. This one though had a previous injury so I think that may have been another factor in it's death. When I came home today the tank was a terrible 77 degrees - but I came home with a heater! I've just finished acclimating the heater. I had the tank previously at a low water level so that the undersized heater wouldn't have as much volume to heat, so I added for water for the new heater which was 78 degrees. The heater is now heating the tank to 78 degrees and I'll slowly increase that.

There's still some of the fuzz, which all of the fish are constantly eating so if it is poisonous then my fish are pretty stupid IMO.. haha. The fuzz amount has gone down though and a lot of it is falling off the driftwood but then hanging around on the substrate. I've bee sucking it up when I do my partial water changes. Tonight, I hooked up my old Aqueon Quietflow filter to the tank to see if it'll help clear out some of the fuzz from the water. My water looks clear until I do anything to stir up what's on the substrate, then it'll all start floating in the water column and the fish go crazy (they eat it on the substrate and off the driftwood too).

My neons were the ones who actually looked the worst when I came home, although everyone didn't look to happy about the cold. My GBRs were just hanging out by the undersized heater. :( Poor things. But, the water is slowly heating up and they're perking back up. I guess we'll see how the weekend goes.. I hope I don't lose anyone else.

Parameters are still steady at zero amm and zero nitrite. I haven't bothered testing nitrate since I last posted my params because I'm doing so many PWC I don't think it could be very high.

My anubias also look miserable.. I had asked previously but I think my death and fuzz attacks warrented more of a response.. Do they NEED to be attached to something, or can I just bury the roots in the substrate and leave the rhizome above the sand? These plants have a good 2"+ of roots so they're anchored well in the substrate.. Could this be the problem? The rhizomes look healthy to me, but they're shedding leaves fairly quickly.
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Old 10-15-2011, 10:51 AM   #26
 
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On the Anubias, they are shade plants so plant them under cover, say floating plants. I have always attached them to wood or rock. Just m,ake sure the rhizome is not buried, it can rot. The true roots will grow down into the substrate.
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Old 10-16-2011, 12:50 AM   #27
 
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Well, I've got the pennywort floating around.. should I try to spread it around the whole top of the tank or something? My light is just a normal t8 bulb.. :\

I guess tomorrow I'll go ahead and pull them out and tie rocks to the rhizomes after I clean them up a bit and replant them. I'll probably post a picture update too, even though my tank will look sad, haha.

So, once my tank has settled down, I'll probably be adding some more fish to round out my shoals again. Just wanted people's opinions..

I've only got four corys as of right now. Would it be better to get 3 more false julii or could I get 3 of another species? Looking through the profiles, I know I'd be limited since I keep my tank at 80 degrees.. I'd originally hoped to get some panda corys but I don't think that's an option but could I perhaps get three bronze or albino? Or sterbai?

I don't think I'll increase the rasboras or neons yet because I've got a bad feeling about the tetras now.. Not because of the tank itself, but because of the temp and how sensitive they are. If they don't make it I'll probably get some rummys, or maybe some cardinal tetras. I fell in love with rummys the moment I saw them though, so (not that I want the tetras to die) hopefully I can add some rummys sometime eventually. I love checkers! :) I know to get 9+ rummys, so this is why I wouldn't want to add any more rasboras to the tank.
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:04 AM   #28
 
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The neons are the only ones that kindof look like they're breathing a bit faster to me.. the rasboras, corys and GBRs look completely normal. Corys will go up to the water surface to get air sometimes, don't they? I haven't seen them do that.. I've heard they'll sometimes do that if they're low on oxygen.. The frog isn't going to the surface any more than normal either.

Everyone's brightly colored too.. and swimming actively. And they're looking hungry. :)

At least I have today off, I'll be keeping an eye on them for the day..
Cories will go to the surface for air. Mine actually dances around at the surface, maybe a 1/3 of his body out of the water. It's normal. I've heard that the air help with their digestion but can't confirm that.
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:29 AM   #29
 
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Thanks chevy, I haven't seen mine out of the water yet, but I'll keep an eye out for that! Sounds cute.


So, no more fish losses today. I'm actually in the middle of tidying up the tank. I took out all the anubias, and I did notice that some of them have rotting roots. There's still plenty of healthy roots left over, so I have hope for them still. I removed the black parts on the roots, but now here's my worry.. I read that black/rotting roots is a substrate problem. I just have sand in my tank, which it does get stirred up. I obviously stirred up the substrate QUITE a bit when I buried the tile attached to the driftwood so I don't really know what to do.

Reading online, it says that I either need to loosen the substrate because it's too compact or replace the substrate. I'm hoping I don't have to replace it. I've got root tabs for the vals, and I know anubias don't need them.. So I guess I won't be buying the roots this time around, but now I'm worried about this happening to my vals. Is this something that a MTS population might be able to resolve for me? Otherwise, what other options do I have other than changing the substrate?
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:44 AM   #30
 
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Your MTS population will help with this so will plants that have heavy root systems like Vals and swords. I do have a question on the anubias was it the actual roots rotting or was it the rhizome? I know if you bury the rhizome it will rot but I haven't heard of the roots themselves rotting because of the being buried? Just curious on that one am still learning the plant world.
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