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Old 10-08-2011, 07:42 PM   #11
 
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Alright.. It's the weekend, so I'll be working on this project again, hopefully.

All my plants have come in. I've currently just got the anubias floating in the tank right now.. almost all the decorations have been removed from my tank and it's just crazy full of plants. It looks like a mess, lol. A few questions..

I'd asked before in another thread if I should take everyone out of the tank before I change everything out. So far, they've all stayed in the tank when I've removed the old decorations and planted all the plants.. Tomorrow, or maybe later next week depending on a few things, I plan on putting in the driftwood. I've (attempted to) glue the driftwood to some tile, and I've glued the tile in a way that I should have plenty of sand above the tile to help hold it down in the substrate. Since I will need to bury quite a few large pieces of the driftwood/tile - would it be better to remove the fish. I'm going to be sloshing things around quite a bit I'm thinking. I know I'll be removing all of my plants so should I just stick everyone in a bucket with the filter running? It's a sponge filter so it wouldn't be difficult..

Next question, when I got my anubias about two days ago they all looked great, but now some of the leaves are dying off of them. I was just curious, do you think they may have been grown emersed and therefore some of the leaves are falling off because the plant is now submerged. I know some plants do this, I just wasn't sure about anubias. If not.. do I just have a black thumb? They're floating right now, so I know it's got nothing to do with the rhizome being submerged obviously. Are the just recouping from the shipment?

I'm having some trouble with my vals too, but I know they will enjoy some root tabs but I wanted to save that until they were planted in their permanent location.

I've been trying to do as much research as possible on this, and I'm pretty sure I've failed again.. but as far as gluing driftwood to tile, can this be achieved with silicone? I got the GE silicone I (not II! it's 100% silicone!), but I've heard this might not be powerful enough. Is there any hope for my cause? I tried super glue and 1) after gluing just two small pieces I was already out of glue, I don't know how I'd ever do the big one without the glue drying out first.. and 2) After only an hour or two the driftwood had already came off the tile! I haven't been able to find any of the other adhesives anyone else mentions in tank / reef building.

Last question.. just wanted to make sure.. as far as tannins, these aren't bad for my particular fish or anything? I'm trying to get nutrients to the plants, so I don't want to stick any carbon in my sponge filter (Can I even do that anyways??).. So I'm thinking it's best to just wait out the tannins if there are any, which I'm sure there will be. I'm not bothered much by it, I just don't want the fish or plants to be bothered..

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Old 10-08-2011, 08:19 PM   #12
 
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I'd asked before in another thread if I should take everyone out of the tank before I change everything out. So far, they've all stayed in the tank when I've removed the old decorations and planted all the plants.. Tomorrow, or maybe later next week depending on a few things, I plan on putting in the driftwood. I've (attempted to) glue the driftwood to some tile, and I've glued the tile in a way that I should have plenty of sand above the tile to help hold it down in the substrate. Since I will need to bury quite a few large pieces of the driftwood/tile - would it be better to remove the fish. I'm going to be sloshing things around quite a bit I'm thinking. I know I'll be removing all of my plants so should I just stick everyone in a bucket with the filter running? It's a sponge filter so it wouldn't be difficult..
If it is that much of an upheaval, I would move the fish out. When I'm re-aquascaping, I worry about the fish getting trapped under something that I might not see. Plus the smaller the tank the less room for them to move to a quieter area.

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Next question, when I got my Anubias about two days ago they all looked great, but now some of the leaves are dying off of them. I was just curious, do you think they may have been grown emersed and therefore some of the leaves are falling off because the plant is now submerged. I know some plants do this, I just wasn't sure about Anubias. If not.. do I just have a black thumb? They're floating right now, so I know it's got nothing to do with the rhizome being submerged obviously. Are the just recouping from the shipment?
Could be either.

Can't help on the glue, never done that.

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Last question.. just wanted to make sure.. as far as tannins, these aren't bad for my particular fish or anything? I'm trying to get nutrients to the plants, so I don't want to stick any carbon in my sponge filter (Can I even do that anyways??).. So I'm thinking it's best to just wait out the tannins if there are any, which I'm sure there will be. I'm not bothered much by it, I just don't want the fish or plants to be bothered..
Correct, tannins will not harm soft water fish. Won't matter to hard water fish either provided the water is medium hard or harder. Nor plants unless the tannin is so thick it blocks the light, which is not likely.

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Old 10-08-2011, 08:39 PM   #13
 
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If it is that much of an upheaval, I would move the fish out. When I'm re-aquascaping, I worry about the fish getting trapped under something that I might not see. Plus the smaller the tank the less room for them to move to a quieter area.

Could be either.

Can't help on the glue, never done that.

Correct, tannins will not harm soft water fish. Won't matter to hard water fish either provided the water is medium hard or harder. Nor plants unless the tannin is so thick it blocks the light, which is not likely.

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Thanks for the reply, Bryon. :)

I'll be moving them out then. Or maybe half of them.. leave any little buggers I can't get out and just be careful of any that remain.

I hope I don't have a black thumb.. I thought anubias were pretty hardy, which is why I got them. I'll probably end up killing off everything in the tank lol. I meant to ask too, if my anubias have enough of a roots system to hold them in the sand substrate, do they need to be tied to a rock still? They've all got at least two inches of large roots coming out of the rhizome so I don't know that they'd have any problem staying in place.. I guess I'm unclear on how necessary the attachment to rock/driftwood actually is.. I just know you cannot bury the rhizome.

That's also good to hear on the tannins. I guess if it gets too dark I'll just do some water changes!

Hopefully the glue works.. it was fairly inexpensive, and I know it's supposed to be safe for the aquarium, I just hope it's effective too. The pieces already seem fairly stuck on the tile so far, and I know it's not 100% finished with curing.
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:49 AM   #14
 
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Well, the good news is so far, the cypress seem to be sticking to the tile wonderfully and staying in place in the tank. The bad news is, I broke my heater. Hopefully I don't lose any fish, I've got a small 50watt heater in there until I can get a new one.

I took a pic, but the water still has to settle down. I haven't decided if I want to actually plant my pennywort, or just leave it as floating. I plan on getting a few more anubias to fill in the right side, but so far I'm pretty happy. Hopefully the fish are too.

The tank is a bit low on water because of the small heater in the tank. I figured it'd work a bit better with the least amount of water in there, so I've got it filled up to just above the top of my sponge filter.

I'll take some more pictures tomorrow or Tuesday... hopefully the water has calmed down by then, although I'm not going to be surprised if there are tannins.



Any suggestions? I think I'll probably try to move the piece that's in the front on the right side to the left a little more, although it's placement looks better in real life than in the picture...
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:45 AM   #15
 
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I would not move the piece on the right. I find the current placement gives length to the aquascape. The arrangement is in my view very good. I can't see any changes.

I would leave the Pennywort floating. Separate the stems though, they do get tangled floating I know. Once apart, and after a few days, the leaves will all grow facing the light which makes a lovely effect with the roots dangling down. The fish will appreciate the shade too.

That looks very nice.

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Old 10-10-2011, 06:43 PM   #16
 
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Jennesque, As Byron said I wouldn't move the cypress knees. The placement you have them in gives the tank a good look!
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:47 PM   #17
 
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Alright, I will leave the driftwood as is. I'm glad you guys both think it looks fine, cause they're actually somewhat of a pain to move lol. I tried to straighten out the pennywort, but now the stems are on the move, floating around the tank and I think they're getting scrambled again. The leaves are starting to point upward already though. :)

The water in my tank looks awful right now.. I'm thinking it's a bacterial bloom + tannins? I can see a bit of the coloring from the tannins in the water, but it's also pretty cloudy. There's also a clear fuzzy slime on my driftwood, but from what I've been reading that's pretty normal. It looks exactly what other people are describing when they say new driftwood gets a slime on it, and my ghost shrimp seem to enjoy it. I will need to pick up a few more.. I know I lost some during the transition, poor things.. but they're so hard to see!

I lost a rasbora this morning and I'm not entirely sure why, maybe the stress of the move? Everyone else seems fine and they're behaving normally to the best I can tell. I immediately checked my params and I'm at about 6.6 for ph (normal), the temp has been steady at 77 (which should be fine for everyone but the GBRs), 0 amm, 0 nitrites, and the one thing that worrys me.. 0 nitrates. I hope my changes aren't going to start a mini cycle, but I still have the same substrate and same sponge filter, and the plants had all been in the fish tank for about a week before I made the change, so I didn't think I'd killed off much of the bacteria in my tank.. Hopefully it's just the addition of more plants and the large water change that caused the nitrates to disappear.



Should I get rid of the marimo balls? My shrimp like them, and I heard that they're very helpful in cleaning up the water.. My ADF also likes to "hide" under them. And does anyone have any suggestions for what I should add? I guess some better pictures would help, but the tank water looks so nasty right now lol

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Old 10-11-2011, 01:48 PM   #18
 
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I would keep an eye out on that "slime" it could be fungus. Some kinds are okay and I read that some fish/shrimp like it as you discovered. Then there is some kinds that can be deathly to fish. Watch your fish if they are breathing really fast. I would remove the wood. Talk to Byron about this I believe he has been through this once before with mopani wood.
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:02 PM   #19
 
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White slime/fungus can be various species, some of which are toxic and some are not. I've no knowledge about this wood, cypress knees, so I just did a quick search. Apparently this comes from a species of cypress, which is a conifer (like pine, spruce, cedar, hemlock, etc). I would keep a very close eye on it; conifer trees have a lot of sticky sap.

If this slime is anything like what I had from Mopani wood, the symptoms were cloudy water (whitish) and increased respiration from the fish, i.e., breathing much faster than normal. The corys just sat around, breathing heavily. If you see any of these symptoms, I would be inclined to do a major water change and remove any wood with the slime.

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Old 10-11-2011, 02:24 PM   #20
 
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Ok.. I'll keep an eye. The cories are swimming around the tank actively.. Everyone seems to be fine. Would they be at the surface of the water if they're having problems breathing, because no one's been at the top, or hanging out at the bottom of the tank either.. The shrimp are seemingly eating it too..

The cypress knees are actually the roots of the cypress tree, would they have a lot of sap in them? I didn't think sap was in the roots of trees..
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