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Old 11-23-2010, 01:57 PM   #141
 
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Ok, my logic is flawed but if you are not in the contest anymore please stop bashing it.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:08 PM   #142
 
I am not bashing your contest, your contest is whatever u want it to be. What i am arguing is the definition of aquascaping. I apologize if it sounds like im putting your contest down.

I am arguing this here because i feel that you have narrows the scope of what aquascaping is down to something very difficult to achieve when i think its really something thats simple and very achievable. Its very discouraging to see something beautiful and want to try it, only to hear "you have to have xyz or it wont work" or "it isnt an aquascape if it doesnt look like this"

Please take a look at aquascaping world. They are a magazine that is sponsored by ADG and GL. Both of these organizations sell and produce their own aquascaping equipment and actually do their own aquascaping.

Their forums feature many different showcases of what they believe are aquascaped creations, many of which do not conform to any "standard" style but are beautiful and glorious in their own way. Many are made by amateurs trying their hand at this hobby or just normal people who enjoy creating something awesome from their imagination. Some are low tech, i think a couple are no tech, and others are high tech.

This will be my last post on this. Again, i am not criticizing your contest, i am just making an argument to broaden the definition of what aquascaping is. Whether or not i have suceeded in making my point, or if anyone agrees with me, w/e.

Lastly This thread has gone way OT.
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Old 11-24-2010, 01:05 AM   #143
 
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Lastly This thread has gone way OT.
I never even read the first few pages .
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Old 11-24-2010, 11:43 AM   #144
 
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I get your point SinCrisis. I really do.
I feel like every planted tank is aquascaped- some more than others. Any time you put a rock or plant in a tank, it truly is aquascaping.

Fortunately for us, Redknee is hosting this contest as a bet. He's spending the money out of his own pocket, and can make the rules whatever he wants.

He thinks it's impossible to set up a professional-looking tank with low tech. I still think if we capture the same feel that should be enough... Won't be identical since dwarf baby tears and riccia (as a foreground) is impossible with low tech.

If he had said it has to be Iwagumi to participate, that would have been fine, and would still give us the chance to prove ourselves. Instead, he's letting us decide.

I might duck out of the contest because my hairgrass is taking FOREVER to grow in... I'm going to wait until the last possible moment to decide.

There's another element of difficulty that no one has mentioned.... Lots of the TRUE professionals run their tank for a month or two, photograph it, and break it down to set up a new one. Seems a fun challenge though. I don't really expect to win.

I am exited to see all the contestant's tanks though. :)
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Old 11-24-2010, 11:50 AM   #145
 
how long does your hairgrass get? i want a lawn in something im setting up but moss turned out to be, well not useable for what i want. However, my tank is a total of 6 inches tall so i was wondering if dwarf hairgrass (im assuming you are using dwarf since normal hairgrass gets really long) was something that would stay short ~1-2 inches?
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Old 11-24-2010, 01:31 PM   #146
 
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dwarf sag stays about 1 inch for me. The leaves are about 2-3 inches long, but they lay down... A total height of under an inch if you have good enough light. IME.
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Old 11-24-2010, 02:11 PM   #147
 
hmm... do u have experience with microsword?
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Old 11-27-2010, 09:40 PM   #148
 
Woot! So far alls good with my tank. Things are still kinda establishing, only thing that hasn't noticeably grown is the java fern. I bumped up my light a few days ago, boarder line limits now lol. So now is the deciding factor if I set the tank up correctly and I gave the plants enough time before increasing the light. Also if I will be able to run these levels during the entire day. The initial light levels showed zero algae and new growth suggested the plants were getting better light then in their previous tanks. The anubais is actually growing which is amazing to me, its faster then the java fern! Higher light over these last few days gave a jump in growth and slight pearling from a number of plants. Just got to make sure it stays that way and algae stays away. I probably freaked it out lately, increased lighting on Thursday, then forgot to turn on lights on Friday.

BTW I feel that the smaller tanks are going to have a harder time considering the light levels were set at 3WPG, which honestly is nothing when you take the small tanks into the factor. But oh well the max should be enough for my tank. I can tell you now, I am almost certain it can be done with larger tanks, but anything nano sized (like <10 gallons) would be a challenge. My 5 gallon paludarium works and its lower then low tech. Though currently is not scapped at all, just like most of my tanks. I haven't touched it in probably two months. I plopped a potted carnivorous plant in the middle of the land side since I had no where else to put it, just like most of the plants that happily grow in there. Currently does have some minor algae due to neglect. It works in everyway except it has 5.6 WPG of light and maybe 3 cups of eco-complete. Still though even with a considerable amount of light it is low tech to me. Its been running for over a year, less then monthly water changes, no ferts, no CO2, no water movement(no pump or filter, it is a stagnant tank). Even now with the last water change like 2 months away, there may be some algae, but the submerged aquatic plants pearl daily. I just don't see how a nano tank can compete in this an maintain under 3wpg, a 10gallon is literally like the smallest you could go here IMO. Anyway thats just what I think. I'm not asking for rules to be changed, it doesn't effect my tank. lol
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Old 11-28-2010, 01:04 PM   #149
 
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Actually, 30 watts over a 10 gallon should, theoretically, have more light reaching the foreground plants than 150W over a 50 gallon...
Also- since I'm running multiple tanks, is my 5 gallon in a windowsill disqualified? It gets a lot of light, but you can't deny that it's super low-tech......

Inverse square law- Double the distance light has to travel, and the strength of the light received is reduced by 1/4.

I'm excited about this contest, but I've never noticed just how slowly plants grow. :P
Hairgrass and dwarf hairgrass hasn't done a darned thing.

I still say, the reason professional aquascapers use high tech is because they get paid by entering contests and designing aquariums... High tech, they can build a tank, take a picture in a few weeks, break it down, and set up a new one (and repeat the process), where I'm not sure 5 months is even enough time for a low tech to grow in.

Just my HO. Even if I'm not done in 5 months, I'm going to pm a picture of my masterpiece to redknee whenever it is done. :P
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Old 11-28-2010, 05:56 PM   #150
 
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Actually, 30 watts over a 10 gallon should, theoretically, have more light reaching the foreground plants than 150W over a 50 gallon...
Also- since I'm running multiple tanks, is my 5 gallon in a windowsill disqualified? It gets a lot of light, but you can't deny that it's super low-tech......

Inverse square law- Double the distance light has to travel, and the strength of the light received is reduced by 1/4.
But we know that the WPG rule breaks down on small tanks and larger tanks. 30 watts on a 10 gallon is not more then 150 on a 50 gallon. I could run the first one low tech, while my 55gal is high tech and doesn't even have that much light on it. What the smaller tank lacks is intensity. The smaller bulbs just don't have the same intensity as the bigger bulbs I believe. Of course I am saying this within the rules of this thread, basically using T8 or spiral compacts(CFL). I've seen it done before--- 3 wpg on a 10 gallon low tech. Just like how the opposite is true for larger tanks. The WPG rule becomes reduced on the larger tank. I Know its touchy to use the WPG rule, but its what most understand best here. It depends on other factors as well. Lighting is just one aspect of the tank.
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