Nanofish tank upgrade journal - Page 6 - Tropical Fish Keeping - Aquarium fish care and resources
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #51 of 346 Old 02-24-2013, 09:12 PM Thread Starter
I never had my water tested for metals. It is possible that's an issue for the MTS, but if it was it doesn't bother the pond snails. My grandma is on the same water as me and her tank without fish is filled with so many baby snails. None of my tanks have them to that degree. Anywhere near that. It makes me wonder if fish are part of that. Are freshly hatched pond snails soft enough that a fish could eat them with no problem? I could see my loaches doing that I suppose. I could definitely see the Dario doing it since boredomb had the same shrinking snail population once he got them.

That all might help explain the pond snails, but not the insta-MTS deaths. I'm just a snail killer. After the lights go out tonight maybe I'll shine a flashlight in the tank. I stopped doing that because I thought all the MTS were gone in the 10. If there's one though there could be more. I added them a couple months ago when I added the fish. Each time I added MTS to the 29 they were in their shells when I got them. When i got the ones for the 10 gallon though they were crawling around in the bag and actually active. I had higher hopes because of that.

Boredomb-Sorry forgot to add this before. It's just the Boraras in there which I don't think could scare anything. An adult MTS is actually bigger than they are.
Chesh likes this.
BWG is offline  
Sponsored Links
post #52 of 346 Old 02-24-2013, 09:13 PM
Boredomb's Avatar
Blackwater is this the tank you dose KNO3, K2SO4, Plantex + B? I don't see that killing snails. You add anything else ooh the GH booster. Barrs?? That doesn't look like anything that would kill snails either.
Truth be known I don't feed my snails either. There is usually always food in the tank for them. You use anything else in this tank? There's gotta be something going on there. If I can keep these things alive surely anyone can.
Posted via Mobile Device
Boredomb is offline  
post #53 of 346 Old 02-24-2013, 09:18 PM Thread Starter
The high tech tank where they all died out from is where I dose all of that. The 10 gallon only gets the GH booster and water conditioner. I had been adding Plantex+B as well, but haven't done that in some time. I can't get it as precise as I would like in there. I actually haven't added it maybe a couple weeks, since right after the crypt melting. Of course I was adding it when I put the snails in.
BWG is offline  
post #54 of 346 Old 02-24-2013, 11:56 PM
Chesh's Avatar
You might just find that you have more than you think! DKRST was nice enough to send me a bunch of his 'granddaddy' snails - the big boys, and since I've had that full-grown population in my 55, I've had no problems keeping the littler ones around. . . *shrugs*

I don't believe you could keep all of those lil' bitty sensitive fish if you were adding something, or had something in the water, that would kill snails. . . I know it's apples to oranges, but still! Maybe you just got bad stock - snaily parasites or something. . .
Chesh is offline  
post #55 of 346 Old 02-25-2013, 02:35 PM Thread Starter
I didn't get a chance to look for more MTS last night. Well I might have had a chance, but I was exhausted and needed up at 4:30, so didn't really bother. Hopefully I can check tonight.

Thinking back I've got MTS four different times from three different people. The last two times I got some free for the asking from the lady I buy fish from. I don't care what I have to do I will join everyone else in having an overabundance of these guys! It is very true that the fish aren't giving me the slightest bit of problems. Either I have more skill than I think as a fishkeeper or they aren't that hard to care for.

In other news...well there is no other news. The other sand I paid for 9 days ago still has not been shipped. That's what I get for buying it from the other option that actually combined the shipping. The weather has been really nice this week and it would have been perfect for getting plants shipped to me.
BWG is offline  
post #56 of 346 Old 02-25-2013, 03:51 PM
Chesh's Avatar
WHAAAAAT!!! It's been a ridiculous amount of time for them to not have even been shipped yet! I can't help but think something has gone wrong somewhere! Have you contacted them? Maybe they'll give you a discount for being so patient!

I'm SURE you're a good fishkeeper. . .we just gotta work on your snail-keeping skills, lol! Still can't imagine what could possibly be going wrong for MTS to die so easily, but I'm hoping you find some after lights-out whenever you get a chance to look! Maybe drop an algae wafer or some veggies in to lure them out when you put out the lights. . . I hope you find a happy colony that you never knew existed!
Chesh is offline  
post #57 of 346 Old 02-25-2013, 04:11 PM Thread Starter
I haven't bothered to contact them. I had bought it through Amazon and it's being sold by a different company. Different than I bought the first five pounds from. It said processing takes an additional 2-3 days. No biggie right? That's what the other bag of sand and the light said. After ordering it said that it would ship anywhere from 2-26 to 3-4. I figured that was a typo since that meant the earliest it would ship was 10 days after I bought it. lol Nope.

An algae wafer is a good idea. I hadn't thought of trying it. I have a kind that doesn't break down in water until a few days so i won't have to worry about it fouling anything. The pond snails are busy eating a melting bronze crypt leaf. Nothing else is melting yet. Fingers crossed it stays that way. Maybe I should do small water changes. i wonder if that might be a problem.
BWG is offline  
post #58 of 346 Old 02-25-2013, 07:50 PM
thekoimaiden's Avatar
I'm still baffled about your MTS thing. I've had these guys survive DAYS out of water. When I was removing gravel I missed a couple of snails and found them a few days later. Plopped them in a tank and off they went!

I honestly don't think it's anything in the water if you're keeping wild-caught microfish (which you do wonderfully). I don't feed any snails in my tanks, but I know the MTS clean up the algae wafers and shrimp pellets I throw down for the loaches and farlowella. Since they've been getting more food I do notice that their shells look better. I would say it might have something to do with them not getting enough food, but you say they die right when you add them.

I'm curious to see what happens when you add an algae wafer and check back later at night. Maybe it is just your high light that scares them into the substrate during the day.

I'm actually having a similar problem with a bag of substrate from Amazon. I bought it OVER a week ago and just got shipping info on Saturday. Maybe Amazon is having some trouble...


Sitting by the koi pond

writings on fish and fishkeeping

thekoimaiden is offline  
post #59 of 346 Old 02-25-2013, 09:15 PM Thread Starter
There was one time when I got MTS that I floated the bag, made absolutely sure the shells were facing down and nothing. I mean literally nothing. They never moved at all until I realized they were dead. I had thought it was a case of them being dead when I got them, as they weren't moving in the bag (they were wrapped inside it in paper towels so they really couldn't). The definitely alive nerites I tried adding though had the same thing occur.

Flourish Comprehensive has 0.0001% copper, while Plantex+B has 0.1%. Mangenese, zinc, and iron are also higher. Not sure if the large difference is comparing a dry fertilizer to an already mixed one. Dosing all of that 3 times a week according to EI, though could be enough to do the snails in for my high tech tank. I only added it once a week in the 10 gallon though. Of course the couple ramshorn that were in there died soon after. So maybe it really is the ferts. I've looked if anyone has ever had the same issues, but never found anything.

lol I don't need the sand right this minute. I just walk past that empty tank several times a day so it's hard to kill the excitement.
BWG is offline  
post #60 of 346 Old 02-26-2013, 06:34 AM
Chesh's Avatar
You do. You NEED the sand. YESTERDAY, at the latest! LOL! *I* am having a hard time killing the excitement, and it isn't my tank!

Hmmm, I guess you could do a 'control' test on the next batch of snails, some you can put in a tank where you use the ferts, and the other in a tank where you don't. . . do you put ferts in your grandmother's tank? You said she has snails, right?
Chesh is offline  

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
29 gallon low tech journal/GBR breeding journal james7139 Beginner Freshwater Aquarium 0 12-31-2010 05:31 PM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome