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My adventure into a "Muddy Tank"!

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My adventure into a "Muddy Tank"!
Old 07-20-2013, 01:50 PM   #31
 
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. . . (and not just so I can potentially tell Jes "I told you so!"). . .
Brat.

I'll be thrilled to be 'told so' as often as you see fit if it means you're sticking around TFK to do it! *hugs* Good to see you posting again!

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. . .Soil tanks are normally great at turning fish food into nutrients, but you sterilised the soil and killed the beneficial organisms...
I was wondering about this, too, Red. . . not sure how hot it is where BD lives, but the temps around here are pushing into the 100's right now. . . Obviously, since it's summertime, mineralizing outside is easy enough, but if it were winter. . .

The lowest temp on my oven is 120f - still hotter than it ever gets around here, but do you have any idea of what temps you'd want to stay UNDER in order to preserve all the good stuffs living in the soil?

. . .also wondering. . . if you rinsed the soil with untreated tapwater, wouldn't that also kill many of the organisms that you want to keep?




Thanks for taking/posting the test results, John. I dug up some dirt today, so I'll sift it later, and get it underwater to see if I can see if I get any readings from it. How long do you think I should let it sit before testing? Think 24h is long enough?

Of course, it doesn't apply, cuz' this is yard dirt from under my mulch pile - I'm still curious to know, though. Now I'm gonna have to get a bag of MGO and see what readings (or not) I can get from that - sifted and unsifted. . . *ish too curious*
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Old 07-20-2013, 01:59 PM   #32
 
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I think 24-48hrs should be fine. Then I probably would do it the week mark. Not sure how long you are wanting to leave it there through.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:28 PM   #33
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Hmmm. This has gotten me really curious. Besides the environmental issues of peat, would you think using peat or a mixture of peat/soil could work as an only substrate? I'm assuming it would soften water a bit, considering its used in filters for the purpose.....*chin scratch* I know it can waterlog easily, although its still rather 'light'.
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I'm still reading through this amazing thread! but since I came across this I figured I should answer it while I still rememeber. peat will stay down if the tanks has been dry started for a few months. bacteria and all that other good stuff will form and hold everything together :P but do keep in mind that peat will leech tannins for a very. long. time. XD


wheee! can't wait for updates! awesome tank =D hopefully this is one thread TFK will NOT unsubscribe me to.
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:20 PM   #34
 
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Thanks everyone! This has been a fun lil tank!! Not much has changed in it through. So not really much to update as of now. I plan to *maybe* change a few things around as the rocks are bothering me where they are. I *might* do this on Monday which is my next day off.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:07 AM   #35
 
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haha, don't worry, Ao *I* will keep you subscribed!

24-48 hours it is ^.^

I've been meaning to do the Walstad jar-test on my backyard dirt, anyway - I know once it's sifted it settles to clear pretty quickly, but I've never timed it, lol. So this will be an ideal time to do that, too! I'm just going to do a little jar on my windowsill. It can BE there for as long as it wants to be. Lord knows I have enough little snail jars on my sills as-is. *giggle* Maybe I'll keep it there and make it pretty like Ao's sill jars are!

It's all sifted and ready, I'll set it up tomorrow, and let you know what/if I get any readings from it a day or two after that. I wish there were a way to easily test the level of nutrients in the soil itself, lol, but I'm too curious for my own good sometimes! I'll settle with the good ol' API test!

And three cheers for days off and random rescapes! I think it's a pretty little tank just as it is!!! Not much in there to rescape yet, lol, but hopefully those lil' plants will grow double-fast with all that yummy uncapped DIRT to help them out! :D Can't wait to find out!

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Old 07-21-2013, 03:55 PM   #36
 
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Soo I know I said I would wait till tomorrow to rescape this tank but when I was walking by I say something move in it!! Im still not sure to exactly what it is/was but with the help of Chesh I think it was either a Damselfly larvae or possibly a mosquito (I doubt this one but not totally impossible) larvae. Soo they (Yes they as I had 4 of them in there.) HAD to go!!! Any bugs in my tanks just freak me out! I can't stand them in there. I believe these came from my frogbit which came from my outside tubs. If I had fish in either one it would probably wouldn't be a problem but I don't.


So after siphoning them out I decided to move the rock on the right front to the right rear of the tank. So I go to move it and it was stuck! LoL didn't think about the mud sticking to the rock and holding it down. So I had to pull it up easily so not to disturb the mud to much. Surprisingly it didn't make to much of a mess. The mud stayed in place but did leech some cloud of discoloration into the water column. This was easily solved by sticking the siphon in there and sucking up the cloud.



Here is how the tank looks now. I removed some of the Frogbit as it was beginning to block too much light. I also moved some stems to the right front corner.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:28 AM   #37
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I've been meaning to do the Walstad jar-test on my backyard dirt, anyway - I know once it's sifted it settles to clear pretty quickly, but I've never timed it, lol. So this will be an ideal time to do that, too! I'm just going to do a little jar on my windowsill. It can BE there for as long as it wants to be. Lord knows I have enough little snail jars on my sills as-is. *giggle* Maybe I'll keep it there and make it pretty like Ao's sill jars are!
I did some dirt testing from our garden barrels and the process involves putting a certain amount of dirt in a pail and swishing it about with a certain amount of water then letting it settle and testing the water.

It cleared up by the next day and, out of curiosity, I left it for a couple of weeks.

I actually had some sprouts appear in the dirt... sadly I didn't leave them long enough or think to transplant them to let them grow out.

If I were to do a dirt tank, I think I would go Bored's route without the sand... only because it would be different than the normal sand bottoms.

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Old 07-25-2013, 11:38 AM   #38
 
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Lookin' good John!!! ^_^ Mud is some sticky stuff once it settles, I'm learning. LOVE IT! haha. . . And I totally agree, bugs in tanks that you didn't put there are *BLEGH*

I have to test that dirty water today :)
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:50 PM   #39
 
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Soo its been awhile since I last updated this thread.

Not much going on here to really talk about. Plants are growing but at a slower rate then my other tanks. Plus the tank just kinda looks sad!

My wife still shakes her ahead at me and question what the heck did I do to her pretty lil tank.

Here's how it has looked for the last couple of weeks.



See how sadly it looks!

Well today I planted some of the stems that have been floating and added a few more.



Still a lil cloudy and umm pathetic! LoL
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:56 PM   #40
 
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Awww! Don't call it pathetic! It isn't! It's just not *quite* as lush as it once was, or as we had anticipated. . . Still a pretty little tank compared to some I've seen in the world, for sure - and LOOK! Crypts!!! Funny that THEY didn't melt, but the stemmies were struggling?!! Seems like it's usually the opposite. . . for you guys, anyway. ;)

Why do you think this tank isn't behaving?
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