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If patience is the challenge… well, challenge accepted!

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Old 01-16-2014, 09:58 PM   #71
 
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Even English people don't use "perfect" english!
I know but to be honest there was the time when people had trouble understanding my writing most of my grammar has been kind of improving by reading punctuation marks like commas and points have been my biggest problem even in Spanish i just don't know where they go but that will change one day
Sometimes it's funny my gf speaks more English than Spanish and sometimes when she throws a word in Spanish while talking English im like (-_-) that's not even a word then I realize that I didn't change the settings in my mind when that word came out but enough me back to the point

Ammonia still showing .25 ppm nitrite now is at 0ppm nitrate is 5.0ppm ph stills on 6.0

I didn't get any tracking number from the test kit so I hope it gets here tomorrow if not I'll be going to a fish store that I believe will have it I just haven't go there cause it's like an hour from my house on the opposite direction of my work so should be like passing my house and keep on the road for another hour on Houston's traffic It's something I can do but not after working 12 hours so Saturday I work only 8 that means I have the time to make it

tomorrow is water change day I'll do a 25%-30% something close trying to not mess with the sand I won't move any of the decorations prime 5x the dose and keep on praying any other recommendations before I do something?

I'm trying my best to get this stable and perfect to get my girls and my big boy back in there thank you guys for all your help I've been learning a lot from you :)
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:27 AM   #72
 
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I teach english, its a very difficult language.

I think you have got the idea...to wait till everything is perfect before introducing fish. I'm sure you will give them a great home.

I've heard about the traffic in houston, but anything for our fish right?
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Old 01-17-2014, 07:44 AM   #73
 
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Even English people don't use "perfect" english!
I most parts of the U.S. we don't speak anything resembling English, Language localisation in the states can be extreme to say the least.

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Old 01-17-2014, 01:36 PM   #74
 
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I most parts of the U.S. we don't speak anything resembling English, Language localisation in the states can be extreme to say the least.

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Even in little old england there are regional dialects, all of which are considered "improper" . Even the queen's english has changed over time. When was the last time you heard a member of the royal family use a " thee" or a "thou"?
NO ONE uses perfect english...there's no such thing!

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Old 01-17-2014, 08:57 PM   #75
 
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Ok first and last time buying in Amazon or at least for that seller it didn't arrive so tomorrow after work I'll be on my way to that not so local fish store hoping to find it

Today I did my weekly water change 30% adding prime I tested water before doing it readings stayed the same 6.0 ph .25 Ammonia 0ppm nitrite 5.0 nitrate

So as soon as I get home with that test kit I'll let you know the results hope we can get through this soon

On another hand plants are growing like crazy specially my draft lily I know sometimes I want to quit because of all this problems but when I see my little betta tanks I know I can do it it's just 70 gallons bigger so thank you guys for keep following this and not leave alone I've learn a lot through this forums and its amazing members :)
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Old 01-18-2014, 01:17 AM   #76
 
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The bigger tank will be MUCH more stable than the small ones... and require less often water changes once its cycled. Your not far off! Years from now when you look at your big, beautiful , stable aquarium this will be just a distant memory.
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Old 01-18-2014, 04:16 AM   #77
 
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It works that way. The first year or so can be really stressful. I wondered how keepers could think of fishkeeping as a peaceful, stress-relieving activity. Now, three years and more than a few fish later, I see what they mean.

It's actually better than that because, even though there's some stressful moments, there's a feeling of competence, confidence and achievement that goes along with it.
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Old 01-18-2014, 05:14 AM   #78
 
Look at it is way, Carlos, you only need to do this once. Then you will always have a source of beneficial bacteria for all your aquariums to come. This is the very reason that many beginners quit the hobby. They never make thru the start up phase. The oldest live creatures in my aquariums are the beneficial bacteria all descendants of the original some 40 year ago.

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Old 01-18-2014, 08:52 AM   #79
 
Been a couple of pages since I read this.

First Carlos everyone will agree that your english is much better then mine. Afterall, english hasn't been spoken in America for years.

As I understand it your bucked has little to no circulation and not bioload yet has a pH of 8.0. As opposed to your planted tank with circulation and bioload treated with prime and a very low pH.

KH and Gh are unknown because your LFS didn't have the test kits.

Just some observations which may or may not reflect the totality of your situation.

I find is disappointing that your LFS who sells api ammonia test kit does no also have the api combined kh/gh test kit.

PH is a function of both kH and carbon dioxide. IME carbon dioxide has a much greater effect than KH. I have had both marine and freshwater tank with kH values ranging from 4 degrees to over 20 degrees and the PH is 8.4-8.8 with the api high range test kit. Don't get me wrong kH is important and does seem to help limit the nightly pH drop. But the just before lights out pH values were those high levels even with tanks that had peat moss in the substrate and which originally had pH values of 7 or less. But after things got through the initial cycle the pH would rise to those levels.

I feel your experience is reflecting that fact. The bucket with no circulation and no bioload is probably low in carbon dioxide therefore has a high pH. And the tank with circulation and bioload has a much higher carbon dioxide level. Especially with the prime dosing.

Prime does detox (lock up) ammonia but in the process reduces oxygen levels and lowers pH. Plus the ammonia still test positive with most test kits. The danger is you treat prime to lock ammoina, still test ammonia, add more prime, etc,etc,etc. Meanwhile you reduce more and more oxygen in the tank.

With the plants thriving I would recommend you stop water changes and stop treating with prime so the plants will be more effective. I feel if you do that any remaining trace of ammonia will drop to 0 and pH will rise as carbon dioxide is consumed by the plants.

And of course you should only measure pH just before lights out. If pH is high at that time, it reflects that the tank (plants) is fully consuming the carbon dioxide being produced by the fish.


At that point the fish should be extremely healthy in the low co2 environment and the plants thriving also.

And they will just basically take care of each other.

still just my .02
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Old 01-18-2014, 09:11 AM   #80
 
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I keep trying my best I do like challenges and didn't see it that way but now I know that if I want to start new projects I will have a good source of bacteria :) cause I'm still thinking on more tanks but one at the time :) thank you guys
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