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Old 01-12-2014, 11:43 AM   #41
 
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Ok I just need to go to the pet store for an air pump ill get it after work
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Ok just came back from work I couldn't get the crushed coral the fish store doesn't have saltwater fish They told me that shells do the Same thing I don't know if it's true but I brought them anyway I got the air pump 7.8 is the ph of my water source I'll get the bucket fill and post the results on 24 hrs and 48 hrs

I forgot to say that I have Indian almond leaves that I use for my bettas tanks I originally buy them cause of my boys was tail bitter so it helped him recovering fins I've read that they can change or alter water chemistry but I've never try them in a big tank could they help with this if so how many to use I have like 20

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Old 01-13-2014, 08:20 AM   #42
 
shells will do the same thing as crushed coral, ... technically

crushed coral is reduced to a near sand-like size, which can dissolve quickly (relatively speaking) in water - think days instead of weeks.

i'd recommend cuttle bones instead of shells, ... more surface area, easier to crush on your own, so it would have a more significant impact on water chemistry (and they're cheap - although i don't know if they're cheap enough, nor do i know how many you'd need to get the results your after.

the calcium will try to raise the PH to 8.6 if i remember correctly though.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:19 AM   #43
 
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Let me try to clarify this for you, Carlos ^__^

If your water is too soft, and the pH too low, your tank will be unable to cycle.
Things like crushed coral bring the water hardness UP
Things like Indian Almond leaves bring the water hardness DOWN.

So using your IALeaves, unfortunately, won't help in this situation.

Sandy has asked that you do a bucket test on your pH, because the level you get from testing pH directly from tap may not be exactly accurate. After the water has been allowed to sit and off gas for24 hours or so, you may find that you get a different, more accurate reading, which will give you (and us!) a much better idea of what your pH *actually* is - and allow us to better advise you.

If you're going to be at the pet shop anyway, I HIGHLY recommend that you pick up the
API KH and GH test kit. API KH and GH test kit.
If we could get those numbers, along with the correct pH - so many questions will be answered. :) If that kit isn't available, but your shop is on the same water as your home - the shopkeepers may be able to provide you with the kh/gh levels (be sure to write them down, and don't accept answers like "soft" or "hard"!) Another option would be to contact your local water supply company - if you're lucky, they'll know the KH and GH of the water, though this is hit-or-miss. I live in a big city, and my water people had NO clue what I was talking about >.>

Hope this helps!

I know it seems SO complex - but your situation is certainly the exception to the rule!!! It isn't usually this difficult! Either way, stick with it, honey! We'll get through this together!!! *HUGS*
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Old 01-13-2014, 01:38 PM   #44
 
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Ok I'll look for that test kit on my way home I didn't know that the leaf gets the ph down as I said I bought them for my tail bitter Betta to help him recover city doesn't even know that they have nitrite in their water neither about hardness so I'll buy the kit on my way home
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:50 PM   #45
 
I agree you should have the KH and gH hardness kits along with the pH test kits. And in my planted tanks I need to high range pH kit as well.

I have found that monitoring the kH is more important than the actual pH.

My tanks are heavily planted and do not have mechanical filters or circulation. They measure a pH of 8.4-8.8 with the API high range test kit. Regardless of the substrate in the tank.

But kH steadily rises in a sand only substrate but with peat moss capped with sand kH remains around 4 degrees. And neon tetras do much better in that environment.

Even with the pH at 8.4-8.8.


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Old 01-13-2014, 04:01 PM   #46
 
beaslbob,

how do you deal with high PH & iron, boron & manganese ?
high PH these are virtually gone
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how do you deal with high PH & iron, boron & manganese ?
high PH these are virtually gone

I did some dosing for iron but other then that nothing.

Tanks have ran for 9 years that way.

I do use tap water.

And I do no water changes.

And as you already know water changes will limit but no prevent changes in anything including iron, boron, and maganese. Perhaps the tap water add those things and the peat moss regulates them.

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Old 01-13-2014, 04:18 PM   #48
 
i did dosing for iron, the plants were still pale, not yellow, but had no deep green of a healthy plant

any emersed leaves were all curled and hooked as well
older emersed leaves showing signs of burning on the tips

pH 7.0 buffer and had almost instant results (submerged leaves) got darker, the emersed leaves are waiting for new growth to get their color & shape back

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Iron at pH 8 or higher is near totally removed from the water column converted to a form the plants cannot use that precipitates to the bottom of the tank, to eventually convert to rust (not usable either by plants)
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:31 PM   #49
 
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They do not have test kits for water hardness I'll order them from amazon
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:54 PM   #50
 
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8.0 is the ph in the bucket I haven't test my tank I'll do it after cooking dinner
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