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Old 02-05-2014, 04:33 PM   #161
 
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There's many paths to the same destination, even a computer program like Mapquest provides this. Sure, plants will work, as will mature media for those who don't want to do plants, or daily huge water changes for those who like a healthy workout maintaining their tank.

What's best for me, bare bottom tanks with minimal lighting, might not be best for plant guy Bob or new fishkeeper Hulk. I always try to promote what the individual feels comfortable with, regardless of what works best in my situation. Some like the science behind it, and enjoy playing chemistry with their test kits, others just want a living slice of nature to brighten their day.
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Old 02-06-2014, 09:51 AM   #162
 
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... I always try to promote what the individual feels comfortable with, regardless of what works best in my situation....
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Old 02-06-2014, 12:15 PM   #163
 
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I'm just glad that carlos seems to be on the right track, and that he has multiple sources from which to draw his own conclussions and decide for himself what course of action is best for him and his tanks. There definitely seems to be a concensus,but even so if carlos was to take a completely different route and decide to not follow ANY of the advice in this thread, I would still say more power to him and help him with any knowledge that I do have that would advance his endeavours.

Good luck carlos, and please keep us updated on the progress of your tank. Your well on your way to a stable system, but I am still a little worried because of your ph issues and lack of quality tap water for water changes.
I'm sure EVERYONE on this thread means well and has only the best of intentions.
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Old 02-06-2014, 07:26 PM   #164
 
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Well I appreciate everyone's input in this thread I didn't want this to become a discussion sorry

Back to the tank ph went down I'm raising it today sorry that I haven't post work is killing me I've been testing every day though and test still showing high ammonia ph went down since yesterday but I didn't have a chance to raise it I'm basically just getting home to sleep today I 'll try to raise as much as I can before choir practice

I have the ph at 6.0
Ammonia 2.0ppm ( I'm still adding prime)
Nitrite .0
Nitrate 5.0

Someone post a link about an aquarium club i guess I'll join once I have more time :)

Thank you guys for all your help and one last question do you think crushed coral would do better for the ph than the seashells if so I'll take another visit to aquarium world:)
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Old 02-06-2014, 09:51 PM   #165
 
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Keep it friendly, guys. . . this thread seems particularly determined to veer off into debate! >.<

I encourage you to begin a thread in our Advanced Discussions area if you wish to continue the discussion now that Carlos has heard your input. I'd love to hear the pros and cons of these very opposite perspectives.
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Old 02-06-2014, 09:57 PM   #166
 
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Well, carlos... looking at your yest readings...
Looks like your cycle is producing nitrate which is good, but the low ph is an issue. Keep posting please, I'm interested to see what your tank does from here. Thanks for sharing your results.
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:28 PM   #167
 
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I do not recommend baking as the rise is not gradual . It's fast . That's a swing in itself. Not good for the fish. I too have to play chemist with my African tank and have achieved a consistent PH with the methods I recommend . Those methods don't require you to pay close attention to amount of water you change then dosing properly with each water change. We all are prone to human error and that's just not a good recommendation if you want the safest choice. Sure , yes it most certainly will raise your KH therefor raising your PH.. But it's not a steady natural method. And once you go that route you are a slave to it.
With my African tank I had to research water chemistry very closely to get a well rounded understanding .



I hope this helps, Carlos!
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:38 AM   #168
 
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I read with great interest your experience with the Angel Plus "seeded" filter early this year. I'm sure that, as with any live bacteria product, care must be taken to avoid freezing or over-heating. This is one of the selling points for Dr Tim's One-and-Only live bacteria, shipped fresh from the factory in an insulated package. Of course, Tolak's shipping method is, beyond any, the best.

Tetra Safestart or one of a number of other reputable bottled products (those that contain the right, autotrophic bacteria) are equally as reliable, with the advantage of never having been subjected to other livestock and their health. Plus, no snails. And, of course, a major price advantage.

It's interesting to me that, even though that thread was specifically about the Angel Plus product, not one mention was made in four pages about any of these other live-bacteria alternatives.
I was giving opinion based on my own experience. With these other products I have no experience.
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:14 AM   #169
 
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I recommend you get a kH kit and test. When dose baking soda of KH is below 4 degrees.

Ph is a function of both carbonate (which is in baking soda) and carbon dioxide. Plus the h+ ion being generated by the aerobic bacteria cycle.

The test kit is not all that expensive and you may find that the KH is very low and can be easily adjusted.

That could also raise the pH and very definitely with low co2 it will rise the pH.

I consider from my experience the pH is more an indicator of other things going on then the actual problem. Once those things (like co2, kh, completing the cycle, etc) are brought into line, pH just falls into place.

still just my .02
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:36 PM   #170
 
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I do not recommend baking as the rise is not gradual . It's fast . That's a swing in itself. Not good for the fish. I too have to play chemist with my African tank and have achieved a consistent PH with the methods I recommend . Those methods don't require you to pay close attention to amount of water you change then dosing properly with each water change. We all are prone to human error and that's just not a good recommendation if you want the safest choice. Sure , yes it most certainly will raise your KH therefor raising your PH.. But it's not a steady natural method. And once you go that route you are a slave to it.
With my African tank I had to research water chemistry very closely to get a well rounded understanding .



I hope this helps, Carlos!
If this helps I raise it gradually a mixture of baking soda with aquarium water in a cup I add 2 oz every hour and test water before adding more

I'm pretty much following Rickey and sandibottom's advice on how to keep ph stable what I couldn't get was crushed coral so I used seashells I don't know if they work the same or if one is better than the other

Today is water change day I could raise my ph to a6.8 and it stayed the same
Ammonia stills showing 2.0
Nitrite .25ppm
And nitrate 5.0

Im about to do a25% not disturbing substrate I'll keep on posting :)
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