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Old 08-24-2013, 01:48 PM   #21
 
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looks like I was wrong. Duckweed and water lettuce are restricted, frogbit and pennywort are not.
just gotta find someone who carries some....
If you live by freshwater just take a walk to the water and look for anykind of floating plant, that is native to your part of the world. Nothing wrong with using what is available. Any kind of floating plant you might get from the water might go through this dying phase then comes back as an aquarium plant, usually smaller then the pond plant.
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:01 PM   #22
 
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If you live by freshwater just take a walk to the water and look for anykind of floating plant, that is native to your part of the world. Nothing wrong with using what is available. Any kind of floating plant you might get from the water might go through this dying phase then comes back as an aquarium plant, usually smaller then the pond plant.
South Texas lakes and ponds what few there are don't really tend to floating plants, or really plants at all. Mostly semi aquatic shore kinda plants and many and varied algaes. We're also in a massive drought :( so the nearest lake that isn't dried up is around five hours away. There are some local nurseries that cater to the few brave madmen trying to add ponds and water features to their landscaping, so I'm hoping if my epic fish hunting adventure fails to turn anything up, I can find something local that will suit the tank.
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Old 08-24-2013, 03:51 PM   #23
 
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South Texas lakes and ponds what few there are don't really tend to floating plants, or really plants at all. Mostly semi aquatic shore kinda plants and many and varied algaes. We're also in a massive drought :( so the nearest lake that isn't dried up is around five hours away. There are some local nurseries that cater to the few brave madmen trying to add ponds and water features to their landscaping, so I'm hoping if my epic fish hunting adventure fails to turn anything up, I can find something local that will suit the tank.
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Okay Texas, makes sense on all the banned plants, could be very invasive if it had a chance. I hope you do find what you are looking for, and nothing but success with your aquarium. This site might help and I believe they ship anywhere in the U.S.A. Aquarium Fish: Tropical Freshwater Fish and Saltwater Fish for Home Aquariums., http://www.aquariumplants.com/, This lets you know what is native in Texas, http://aquaplant.tamu.edu/plant-identification/

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Old 08-24-2013, 04:18 PM   #24
 
I'll just overstock stems for now and try and find some floating plants later.
Got some amazon swords and a banana plant, and one other plant from the various LFS that I've been hitting up

Fish wise I've got three African dwarf frogs from fintique, unfortunately I also bought four painted glass fish before I realized what I was buying :( looked them up to be sure they'd be okay in a tropical tank, and realized that they're dyed. I'm keeping them, because the store doesn't do exchanges but I don't think I'll be going back no matter how cheap their anacharis is.
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Old 08-24-2013, 05:22 PM   #25
 
One last stop before heading home to deliver the fish, aquarium adventure to grab the last of the ancharis and some Vals grabbed some java moss just because, and also three flag fish. Heading back out for the petsmart stand because the family vetoed my thrift shop one as too tacky, and then assembly
I can now say aquarium adventure is the nicest, cleanest, most reputable fish store in town.
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:18 AM   #26
 
Finally done.



I'll test the water tomorrow, to be sure everything's going smoothly.
Accidentally grabbed the wrong lightbulb. gonna return it tomorrow and exchange it for a 6700K bulb (the one I grabbed was 2700K or something? 2-something anyway)
realized that I forgot to buy food. -_- probably will buy that tomorrow as well.
will upload more pics tomorrow if anyone's interested, but for now I sleep the sleep of the truly exhausted.
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Old 08-25-2013, 09:41 AM   #27
 
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Unpleasant news. Apparently Floating plants like duckweed and frogbit are illegal to sell in my state. I'm going to guess that they're nonnative/invasive or whatever. I've been informed that I might be able to find some water lettuce at a nursery that sells pond plants but it's a longshot.
I know that floating plants do a lot to absorb ammonia, but on the offchance I can't find any in town does anyone have any other suggestions?

any plants absorbe ammonia whether floating of not.

(well almost some get nitragen from nitrogen gas like cyano or soybeans but that is the exception not the rule.)

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Old 08-28-2013, 08:28 AM   #28
 
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Three cheers for tank journals! ^.^

The tank looks lovely, Esahc! How are things going over there?

I just scrolled through, but would you mind catching me up with what you have going on in there? *ish curious* You used BB's peat moss trick, or the NPT guide from OFL? Looks like you started stocking already - who all is living here now?

Sorry for so many questions (I have more where they came from!) Excited for your first foray into the world beyond Betta!

Happy Tanking!




P.S. I keep frogbit and duckweed 'in stock' if you're still looking, lol! Those plants should never be hard to find, or cost you. . . well, anything but shipping!
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:22 AM   #29
 
I used BB's peat moss instead of organic topsoil, mostly because the peat moss was the only thing I could find that didn't have any fertilizers/chemicals/special grow whatevers added to it, but otherwise I tried to follow OFL's guide as closely as I could within my time/money constraints and shiny new legal constraints. Hopefully all goes well, though apparently the hood I bought isn't very good, and no one carries a 6700K or 6500K bulb in the right size, so I'm gonna have to order it. luckily the room it's currently is is about 90% window, so at least some sunlight is happening in the meantime
I'm never using peat moss again. did you know it floats? I didn't. now I do.


So the substrate is about an inch of peat moss, capped with an inch of my leftover eco-complete, capped with black sand, because black sand is pretty and I plan to have bottom feeders eventually. my plants are a metric ton of anacharis, six bunches of vals, four or five amazon swords, some bronze wenditii I pulled out of my betta's tank, some creeping jenny, one banana plant because they're funny looking, and one bunch of spiral somethingorother that I can't remember what it is, but makes for a nice change in texture against the vals and anacharis.

I've stocked with three african dwarf frogs, three american flag fish, four painted glass fish that I bought before I realized that they weren't a new flavor of glo fish -_- and five platys. I'm still well under the gallon-per-inch rule, but the tank looks to be pretty full now, so I think I'll stop there, unless my LFS gets some MTS in.

Now here's where I did the stupid newbie thing.
Even though I crawled through every snail-ridden, ammonia-reeking, algae-infested LFS in town, and I knew really freaking well the conditions that my fish and plants were coming from (dear sweet god of your choice, I will never leave my LFS again, it's so clean and reputable and they don't carry freaking tattooed fish and they know what they're doing and they're not nearly as rude as some of the other places I'm sorry ever left)
I didn't quarantine.
I picked over the plants really well, and drip-acclimated the fish, because they'd had a long, stressful day crisscrossing town with me, but I was so impatient to have my tank stocked, and I didn't have enough quarentine tanks for all of them, so I put them in right away.
Lo and behold two days later I start seeing signs of internal parasites. -_-
It showed up in the platys first, so I'm guessing they're the ones who brought it in. They were from my local petsmart, which is surprising because the other stores were much worse and my petsmart is usually pretty good with their fish, but when I went back for meds, I let the fish girl know, and she said she'd check out the other tanks.
Right now I'm dosing tetra parasite guard. I really wanted to dose with a medicated food, but I can't find any, so hoping the parasite guard works. I'm really seriously frustrated with myself. The flag Fish for sure are starting to show the white stringy poo, and I'm worried about the glassfish, just because I know they're more likely to be sickly. Hopefuly the ADFs won't contract it because I have no idea how to treat them.


EDIT: Duckweed is 100% illegal to posses in texas because it's invasive and noxious according to Fish and wildlife, and it seems like frogbit is one of those that's so similar no one carries it just in case? it's nice of you to offer, but I think I'm good for now!

EDIT 2X Combo: Also in the tank is Prospit, my lone mystery snail survivor of my long and storied attempt to introduce my psychotic betta to something that will eat algae for him.

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Old 08-28-2013, 09:40 AM   #30
 
Sorry to hear abut the sick fish. Hopefully the planted environment will help them get well again.

You're correct the peat moss does float. And it is a real mess for a few days as far as cloudy water is concerned. With no mecanical filtration that initial cloudiness settles down in a couple of days. But the twigs (logs) do tend to float much longer but even they settle down. But with a mechanical filter I can understand why that would be a mess.

That is the reason I recommend the layering with the play sand on top to trap all that. And by planting the plants and then filling the tank, my new setups are almost totally clear immediately.

still just my .02
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