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Old 05-08-2013, 10:59 PM   #771
 
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Oh, I have an idea for you if you want a nice fluffy plant to attach to wood...I cannot recall what it is called though! =( It'd be lovely on wood if you can get the roots to stay attached, it's be like a bunch of little things growing on it, and when it gets bigger, it'd be perfect. Unless you find bigger ones right off. I LOVE these things...I just wish I could remember what they were called...umbrella plants maybe...I dunno. Photo for you, maybe you know. I am so bad at plant names! Two ideas actually Again, I dunno what they're called, but they're thick and grow leafy and semi-tall, infact I think one is a stem plant of sorts, but not sure.

I hope I got adequate shots for you. One is kinda like leafy grass that can gros in a patch and hook to things, so if you have wood with small holes here and there, or big ones, you can probably stick them in, the other is a stem plant of sorts and will do the same, but less patchy. lol Yeah, everyone has to get in the way. lol

First up, that leafy grassy-like one:






And the stem one.


And also these which will love to grow in mass on it and get tall if you can see them well enough to figure out what they are with Chelsea in the way ^^;


You could also go for a couple types of anubias. They're pretty hardy, as you know, and they come in different shapes and sizes. You can get the large or small ones that grow straight up, or the large or small ones that grow sorta length-wise, like a line of big leaves. Just ideas for you. lol
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:11 AM   #772
 
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Ches, I can't take your videos seriously when you use songs like that xD

For serious though, that is gorgeous, and must be loachy heaven! I can't imagine how many nooks and crannies there are inside of that pile for them to explore.

I have a random question about your frog...I've heard that they have poor eyesight and can sometimes mistake fish tails for food, has this happened in your tank? Or him taking a nip at a dwarf loach (though I bit they would zip off as soon as the notion crossed his mind xD)?
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:54 AM   #773
 
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I also heard they had better noses than eye sight. I have four frogs, used to have them with platies and now with a betta and cories. Occasionally they do seem to mistake a fish's fins for food, and once they realize it, they usually let them be(thankfully my critters are too quick! No damage has ever been done). I've even seen them bite each other during feeding times, like a foot or even someones head. I have noticed they "Stare" at food for a while before launching too, and even missing to get a hand when hand fed something a very different color from my skin, which would also lead me to believe their sight sucks. lol
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:38 AM   #774
 
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Ches, I can't take your videos seriously when you use songs like that xD

For serious though, that is gorgeous, and must be loachy heaven! I can't imagine how many nooks and crannies there are inside of that pile for them to explore.

I have a random question about your frog...I've heard that they have poor eyesight and can sometimes mistake fish tails for food, has this happened in your tank? Or him taking a nip at a dwarf loach (though I bit they would zip off as soon as the notion crossed his mind xD)?

Sooooooo many nooks and crannies! Most of them are more or less visible from outside the tank now, which is way fun. I wish I could show you the shadowed area, and the area behind the 'mountain' because that's fun, too! They love it, but they're loaches - they like everything!

ADF do have really terrible eyesight. You can dump food on their heads, and they won't see it. They can smell that it's in the water, but it takes them a really long time to pinpoint exactly where the food is using scent alone, which is why it's extremely important to target feed any ADF kept in a community tank. I'm not sure if you've noticed on the videos how often Frecks pauses and goes perfectly still into his 'zen' mode? These frogs hunt primarily through their sense of touch. When they freeze like that, they are able to pick up very small vibrations in the water which is how they are able to pinpoint the locations of predators and food. Believe it or not, these seemingly bumbling beauties are really great hunters when they have a live food source available. Most of my frogs have been kept at one time or another with live-bearers, and I've seen them put away their fair share of fry - especially since the little fish hide in the planted areas that the so frogs enjoy. (Sorry, Sylver! It wasn't intentional to feed them to the frogs !)

All that said, and for all of these reasons, tail biting happens! Because the frogs are able to see the movement of the fishy fins, they do often try to go after them - this has happened more often with the rams than with the livebearers, I think because of the way they pause in the water just above the frogs, and also maybe because they have that beautiful red/orange slash on their tails. Once they figure out that they've gotten more than a mouthful, they release and go on about their business. Since ADF have no teeth (or tongues!) there typically is no damage done. I do worry about people keeping them with Betta, since their fins are so fragile, and because many of them like to 'rest' on the floor of the tank, or plant leaves. . . for the most part this seems to work out well from what I've seen on this forum if the Betta is okay with sharing his space (I'd never try it with Shimz). Like Sylver said, when ADF are kept with other frogs, they nom on each-other by accident all of the time. Watching them trying to find food is almost painful to witness, since they'll be SITTING ON IT and have no clue!

Nipping is not only accidental, though. These frogs have a snarky side that people don't seem to realize. Every frog that I've had will stand their ground to some extent once they think they've found food. Fish are so fast and greedy when there are shrimp or worms in the tank, and frogs don't seem to appreciate having a swarm of fish above their heads, so will turn and try to nip them away - not going after fins, just in general shooing them off. In my tanks this has always had the desired effect, and no damage has ever been done - I'm far more worried about the ADF's delicate skin taking a Ram nip than the other way around - so far so good there, too. I've also noticed Frecks getting really good at using the movement of the fish to pinpoint the location of dropped food. I still target feed him, but he's getting really good at fending for himself in there! Frecks has only bothered the loaches once that I've seen, and that was the first day he was put into Becoming. To me it looked as if he mistook their bars for worms! As a rule he's ridiculously tolerant of them, he just lets them crawl all over and under him, and doesn't seem to mind in the least. . .

You had to ask about frogs! I luff my little froggy friends :)

As for the plant suggestions. . . Thank you! I want to attach something to the top of the rock so that I can divide the front half from the back half. My two sub-dom rams have taken new territory in that area - one lives on the front side of the rock, the other on the back. Both would appreciate some extra foliage to further divide the two spaces, so I'm looking for something that I can actually attach to the top of the rock. I have several Anubias growing there (mostly Nana), and lots of Java ferns (many babies that Fox sent me a while back), so yeah - I'll probably stick with those - they seem to like it there! I just have to find the right individual plant(s), I think. Wisteria (if that's what your stem is?) would only survive in my tank floating because of the low light - I'm pretty sure they follow the same general 'rules' as my WaterSprite. Crypts love my tank, it seems, but I couldn't grow them on a rock. Which sucks, because I totally would if it were possible! *luffs crypts*
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:24 AM   #775
 
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h, a type of Wisteria, that's what it is! See, I have a friend whose online name is Wisteria. LOL I was so sure I'd remember because of that, but I could not! And I dunno...my tank is full of a few types of anubias, sword plants and stem plants, all seem to do perfectly in my 55 gallon and 10 gallon, but for some reason a few of those aside from anubias and El Nino ferns, just don't do well in my twenty...which I think actually has brighter light than the others, or at least it looks to. It's the opposite in my ten, el nino's do terrible in there while most else flourish. I was sure I'd gotten them all the same lights!
I have a nice odd mix, and used to have some planted on my wood too, but as you know...those mollies pull it right out! ^_~ So I plant them half under occasionally and they grow right up around it, which everyone seems to love. I can't tell you how often I find stray fry under them when I lift the logs to do cleaning or replant if I have to. The other night I lifted one of the larger pieces up and found about twenty babies under it, I'm afraid to move the other one now because I cannot catch them all that fast and the adults go for it.

As for your frogs getting fry, that's about as natural as it gets in an aquarium. You cannot take the nature out of the animal, it's not anyones fault when babies born in there are eaten. It is different with live prey because the frogs don't need their noses to "focus" on it like they do with food already dead and waiting for them. Just like with cats, it's hard to see something that isn't moving, and once stimulated to go for it...well, good luck to the one being chased!

And ah yes, I did forget, one time one of my frogs did grab my betta. He was unhurt, but that did scare me! The frog released him when he wiggled and moved off elsewhere. But they DO have a snarky side. Mine show it when being pestered. Remember that video of Sirius? He didn't like the frogs, he'd flail and flare at them and pestered one of my girls...until the male frog came to its defence! They have since started getting along, he doesn't flare at them, but he occasionally will flail in their general direction, no bites with HIM have ever been done, nor has he given any. My orange betta on the other hand, was removed to the five gallon. Mainly because grandma wanted "Bronco Jack" for the football season later, and also because his veiltail got him in trouble on occasion. Again though, no harm was ever done and I only saw him get snagged once, but it IS something to watch for. My crowntail/orchid betta doesn't have this problem, they never go for him unless he's bugging one.

I also have my frogs with cories. The cories were not happy with them at first, but within two days were actually cuddling my frogs and sucking them into their cuddle rituals. The frogs have not once tried to bite them, which surprised me since they will lay with the cores as if part of the group! And the cories even "Clean" them up while they sit and allow it. It's rather fascinating, though I KNOW I must keep an eye out since frogs can be unpredictable...there are a few things they allow and don't go for.
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Old 05-12-2013, 05:50 PM   #776
 
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Monty Python Fish Tank LOL! Nice.

Happy Mothers Day CHESH! :D

So let me know if this list if fine to send you:
  1. Dwarf Sag
  2. Sword (I dunno what kind but the one in my 75)
  3. This hair and stem grass plant you see in my 75. It took over the tank lol (let me know if you don't want it because it grows really fast)

I'm going to try and send it out on Monday but it may only go out on Tuesday. Oh...did you want any of the root tabs I use to see if they will work well?

Hope all is well :)
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Old 05-12-2013, 05:57 PM   #777
 
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TERMIE TERMIE TERMIE!!! *GLOMPS*

Yes! Dude, I'd love to give any or all of these beautiful things a new home! Still very much working toward getting enough plants together and thriving to set up the 125 well planted from startup. . . You're so awesome - thank you so much! PLEASE let me know if you need me to send PP to cover anything! *HUGS*
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TERMIE TERMIE TERMIE!!! *GLOMPS*

Yes! Dude, I'd love to give any or all of these beautiful things a new home! Still very much working toward getting enough plants together and thriving to set up the 125 well planted from startup. . . You're so awesome - thank you so much! PLEASE let me know if you need me to send PP to cover anything! *HUGS*
You already sent me PP to cover it Chesh...:P Remember hahahah.

Consider the extras a mothers day present.
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:23 PM   #779
 
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Oh yes! HAPPY MOTHERS DAY! To both you, your fish(even ones who lost their broods like the rammies), and all other mothers out there. =) Sorry it's late.
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:35 PM   #780
 
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Aww! Thanks, Sylver! I have passed your message onto Liz, who thanks you, too. :) I suppose I should return that with a happy FISHY mother's day to you - and your Live-bearer crew!
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