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Old 04-04-2013, 02:37 AM   #331
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Here's a little rambling on the topic:

Yes, the higher the KH the more stable the pH. My tank pH doesn't move much with a KH in the high teens so things that might normally affect it in soft water tanks (wood, leaves etc) don't affect it as much. With really soft water you almost need to raise the hardness a bit to help stabilize the pH and provide more (hardness) for plants, up around 5 or 6 is better BUT it is not necessary for fish.

The GH is more important for the fish but less important for pH buffering.

The playsand MIGHT increase the hardness a tiny little bit but I doubt it would even show on the tests.... it's not the sand that does this as it is a quartz and inert, it's the limestone or shell material that COULD make up 1% of the mass of the sand.

The test kit drops are 1 drop = 1 d(GH or KH) also = 17.9ppm
Using my starting KH of 20 drops = 20dKH = 358ppm

Do you both have the same test kits? Different kits will use a slightly titration solution. Its important to know the basics of the chemistry behind hardness and pH buffering... its also worth noting why the hardness affects the fish too.

Further to an older question I spotted in the thread... the bog wood/driftwood, will affect the harness of the water as it has a tendancy to absorb some of the mineral content of the water, this accounts for why there tends to be a drop in the hardness and less stability in pH over a period of time.

With shrimp and any other crustacean, bear in mind that it is worth checking the hardness of the water that is preferred form them.... they will struggle to grow any new carapace without sufficient mineralisation in the water.

just my 2million rupees :)
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:32 AM   #332
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Yes, API kit... It's pretty much the most popular test kit here.

Well, seeing as my hardness starts at 23dGH, I think the shrimp are ok.... it does tend to lower but I attribute that effect more to the plants than the wood based on a plant only jug project I have on the go. Rather than get into it here, here's a link if you are interested.

My main tank and plant thread is linked in my signature.

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Old 04-04-2013, 12:38 PM   #333
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Yeah, we both use the API test kit :)

I have been concerned over the lack of hard minerals in my water for when the shrimp molt, but from what I've read (although I've found a lot of conflicting information on this) I'm at the low end for what Neo Cherry shrimp can handle. I've been keeping an eye on my snails to see how their shell development is and I have yet to see the signs of them suffering from lack of calcium, so I'm hoping that there is enough for the shrimp to be okay. If it does seem to be a problem I may look into adding Equilibrium to the water.

I am at a bit of a loss as to the whole chemistry aspect of the water and how it is affected (I have checked to make sure my fish are okay with my specific water, though), but thank you for clarifying why exactly dirftwood has an impact! I had no idea that it absorbs the minerals. I've redyed a lot on other people to make sure that my water is okay for the fish and plants that I have, as it does go over my head a bit sometimes, haha :)

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Old 04-11-2013, 04:21 PM   #334
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Package came today! It was shipped late monday and got here today, which I am a bit miffed about. It came from a city less than 2 hours from me -____- I could have had my sister get it if I knew it would have taken so long, she was in that city the past few days while I was at her house, taking care of her pets.

Anyways! I ordered 6 C. Wendtii, 2 Amazon Swords, and 5 cherry shrimp. I'm kicking myself for getting the swords, I had gotten them to replace two that weren't doing so well (I had gotten them from poor conditions, they hadn't recovered after weeks). Well when I came home earlier today those two swords had perked right up while I was gone, they have some gorgeous new leaves -____- Needless to say, I have more swords than I know what to do with. I might just send them over to Ches ;)

Ahem. The guy actually sent me a ton more than I bought. He sent an extra sword and doubled the amount of cryps. I got 12 for the price of 6 (which were $3 a piece, so I'm excited). Only thing is...they were all (including the swords) grown emersed, which I hadn't known ;( Going to be a pain getting them used to growing under water, ugh.

I also got 2 extra shrimp, and they all arrived alive, thank goodness. However, the biggest shrimp is less than 1/2" long, and the smallest is less than a 1/4" long. I'm praying my fish don't eat them. I had released them into the lower region of the tank onto the oak leaves and lower sword leaves, thinking they would be safer. My loaches immediately poked their heads out, looking for them. I quickly put some pellets down to distract them, I'm just hoping the loaches don't eat them. I hadn't even considered that my loaches would try to eat them, honestly.

So...that's that! :D
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:28 PM   #335
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I've been waiting for an update for EVER!!! :) An interesting mix of happy/mad going on. . .

I don't know, I can't really see loaches eating shrimp, either. . . hopefully we're right about that! I'm excited for those lil' shrimpbutts. Sounds like you got a really great deal on your crypts and swords!!! Going through the process from emerged to submerged might not be as painful as you think - especially not with the swords. Here's hoping, anyway!

So do you think you'll order from there again? Seems like a REALLY mixed review! At least he's local. . .

*giggle* If you run out of room, I'd be glad to 'rescue' your extra plants! Your lil' Woobies haven't melted yet, and I'm starting to see some new growth! Stemmies are growing, too - and I dunno WHAT the lilly is doing, but it isn't dead yet. :) Makes me happy. . .
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:53 PM   #336
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Loaches as a general rule will not seek to harm shrimp but have been known to play with them which is of course stressful for the shrimp... Can I ask what your water parameters are?
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:56 PM   #337
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Too many plants... I LOVE having that problem. I'm removing a sword to bring into the office this weekend, darn things are just too big... and some of the larger crypts.

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Old 04-11-2013, 04:59 PM   #338
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Yeah, I'm still not sure if I'm happier or madder xD I'm excited about the sheer amount of plants I got though, just wasn't expecting them to be grown out of water. I may order again, but I'll try and order plants that are grown IN the water, haha. I'm going to see how well these shrimplets do, and if they do well I may get a few more. In just the short time they've been in that tank (I put them in like, 2 hours ago) they've colored up beautifully and have been combing the plants and oak leaves for food.

I'm hopeful that my loaches won't eat them, as I've seen the loaches and the shrimp close together (about an inch apart) on two separate occasions, with the loaches just being curious to the shrimp (who quickly scuttled off, the way they swim is SO CUTE OMG).

I had to move one of the C. Spiralis you sent, as it's shot off like 6 or 7 new leaves, and got bigger than I thought. Needless to say, it has already rooted itself as deep as it can and has a pretty massive root system o.o

So glad the plants are doing well for you! I really think the Rotala (if that's what it is) is so pretty with that leaf structure, I was really hoping it would grow for you :)

Also, one of my big swords, which had also been grown out of water when I got it, sent up an inflorescence under water, but it never made it to the surface to bloom. Instead it grew into a tiny little sword o.0 I left it alone for a few weeks to see what it would do and it's started to grow roots. So I lopped it off and planted it, so now I have NINE swords.

Ches, you may be getting another package soon xD
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:07 PM   #339
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Yeah, I think the loaches smelled them and were just curious, I haven't seen them take a bite. I'm hoping with the substrate being almost entirely oak leaves that everyone will have their own space.

My tank water has a ph of 6.8, and although I tested for GH/KH I can't remember the numbers specifically. I believe it was a dKH of 3 and a dGH of 4. It was very low. I am worried about if the shrimp's shells will be okay, but I haven't seen a problem with growth/reproduction on my snails (of which I have acute pond, ramshorn, MTS, and giant bladder), so I'm hoping the shrimp will do well. I've read that Neo Cherry Shrimp do okay in acidic water in some articles, but others suggest harder water.

Oh, and of course Ammonia is 0, Nitrite is 0, and Nitrate is 10 (nitrates are high as I have a reading of 10 nitrate in my tap, which I am super bummed about.) :(

Jeff, if only you lived closer! I'd send you plants for the office tank, my QT is now over run with Crypts, haha. You're going to end up like me, with plants in jars on your windowsill xD you already have a bowl, eh? The collection will grow, I promise.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:11 PM   #340
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Oh, WOW! Jen, I think it's time for some new pictures, neh??! Please!!!!?

I'm just thrilled to hear that the C.Spiralis is doing so well for you! When that plant is happy, it grows like a maniac - and yeah, it does get pretty tall. WOOBIE SWORDS!!! *swoons* . . . it IS Rotala, lol. and its growing!!! I agree, it's a really pretty plant. Thank you for sending it! <3 <3 <3

ETA: 10 ppm is STILL not 'high' on nitrates! You've just been hanging out with too many plantheads ;)
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