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Old 04-03-2013, 03:58 PM   #321
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Do you think your driftwood has an impact on the hardness? I've always wondered a bit. I think you've picked beautiful fish for your water, I've always thought cherry barbs were so cute.
I can't say for sure but I think that the wood has little effect on the hardness and maybe more on the pH.

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I wish my brain was as mathematical as yours. I'm still at a bit of a loss as how to get dGH and such, I wish I could keep better tack of my water hardness but it's all a bit 'over my head' haha. I have the API GH/KH test kit but it's a bit confusing. Feels like chemistry class all over o.o
Just count the drops... I hated measuring the hardness initially as it is add one drop, shake, add one drop, shake, add one drop, shake.... 23 drops takes a while. Now I just squirt ten drops and go two at a time until I get close. Measure the KH first as it is always lower than the GH. That way if the KH is 8, just squeeze eight drops into the GH test, then go drop by drop... and use a small piece of plastic wrap rather than the leaky messy lids they sent with the tubes.

I think I am the only one who tests my water hardness as much as I do... most just test it once and that's it... if that.

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Also, I think the rasboras in QT are feeling a bit more at home...they've been spawning all day. I'm actually a bit curious if I'll get some fry, without kuhli loaches to eat the eggs...hrm. They may end up eating their own fry though.

Their colors are still SO pale compared to my four, it makes me sad :( Mine have such vibrant reds and blacks and oranges, and they're just...pale and whitish looking.
They'll colour up.

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Old 04-03-2013, 04:01 PM   #322
 
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I think I am the only one who tests my water hardness as much as I do... most just test it once and that's it.
Naw, I keep track of mine, too. Even though it never does anything. . . lol.
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Old 04-03-2013, 05:54 PM   #323
 
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So number of drops = dGH? I think it was like 3 drops for GH and 2 for KH, something like that. I remember it being really low. Which I thought was odd because the PH of my tap water is 7.6, though it eventually drops to around 6.8 in the tank. I'm a bit confused as to how that works.

I hope they do soon :( The difference is crazy. I think I bought them a few hours after they were put into the store tank (new shipments come in on tuesdays, and they weren't there a few days ago), so they went through a lot in a few hours, poor guys :/

Just did a full water test on the QT and everything looks spot on, except the PH is a bit higher than in the main tank. I'm thinking this might have something to do with less plants and less leaves, and I'm also a bit worried about the playsand affecting the hardness. We shall see though!
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:09 PM   #324
 
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My water is weird like that, too. . . . Kh acts as a 'buffer,' it's directly tied into Ph in that the higher your Kh is, the more stable your Ph - and the reverse holds true, as well. I also have a low Kh (and Gh) so you would think that after all of this time with all of these plants, my Ph would fall. But my Ph is right in the middle - and it stays there. I tried to get information from my water company regarding this question, and I was able to gather that they are required by law (here, anyway) to maintain a 'neutral' Ph in the water. They do SOMETHING to the water here to keep the Ph where they want it, I gathered that much, but was unable to get specifics. . . Whatever it is, the fish seem okay, I think. . . would like to know more, or be corrected if I'm off. :)
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:08 PM   #325
 
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So I'm really, really excited!

I found a 'local' (in state) aquatic plant, shrimp, and occasional 'rare' fish seller, so of course I placed a 'test' order to see how good the plants are. If it's nice quality/good shipping I'll be freaking ecstatic. I'm so bummed about having to rely on the LFS here for plants, they're almost always half dead.

I also ordered 5 cherry shrimps <.< They come from shrimp/plant only tanks, so I'm thinking they should be okay to put right in the main tank?
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:08 PM   #326
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Here's a little rambling on the topic:

Yes, the higher the KH the more stable the pH. My tank pH doesn't move much with a KH in the high teens so things that might normally affect it in soft water tanks (wood, leaves etc) don't affect it as much. With really soft water you almost need to raise the hardness a bit to help stabilize the pH and provide more (hardness) for plants, up around 5 or 6 is better BUT it is not necessary for fish.

The GH is more important for the fish but less important for pH buffering.

The playsand MIGHT increase the hardness a tiny little bit but I doubt it would even show on the tests.... it's not the sand that does this as it is a quartz and inert, it's the limestone or shell material that COULD make up 1% of the mass of the sand.

The test kit drops are 1 drop = 1 d(GH or KH) also = 17.9ppm
Using my starting KH of 20 drops = 20dKH = 358ppm

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Old 04-03-2013, 07:13 PM   #327
 
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YAY shrimp, local, and oddball fish! :) VERY exciting, Jen! You *should* be fine, if it is true that these plants and shrimp have never been exposed to fish, OR run on the same system as fish - but . . . well, we all know I QT EVERYTHING anyway. It NEVER hurts to be patient and safe. ;)
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:43 PM   #328
 
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I've found my plants are doing okay for the most part with the very low GH/KH, although I have to stay away from vals and hornwort. Those two plants hate my water, I swear. I've thought about adding Equilibrium (I think that's what it is? Byron uses it) but I'm a bit afraid to, especially without seeing hugely detrimental effects to my plants.

Thank you SO MUCH for that equation! I've been trying to figure out how to do that forever, thank you so so so much. I'll have to write that down somewhere.
I really should start an actual paper/pen logbook instead of keeping most of my info haphazardly on my phone.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:53 PM   #329
 
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Either way I look at it I'd be adding the shrimp to a tank with fish, and I think my main tank is a bit more suitable. I guess I could always set up like a little plastic QT tank but I'd bet $5 on my cats knocking it over and eating the shrimp xD

There were SO MANY varieties (at least for me, having never seen any freshwater shrimp in person besides ghost and grass/glass? shrimp.) I went with Cherries because they're the cheapest, and to see how they fare in the tank. The seller said they're all Neos (I did a preliminary google search on that, still not 100% sure on actual definition) and will interbreed. I thought about getting others but I don't want a rainbow on the bottom of my tank xD

Although I think Pumpkin shrimp would look gorgeous in a blackwater set-up. Swoon
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:53 PM   #330
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I've found my plants are doing okay for the most part with the very low GH/KH, although I have to stay away from vals and hornwort. Those two plants hate my water, I swear. I've thought about adding Equilibrium (I think that's what it is? Byron uses it) but I'm a bit afraid to, especially without seeing hugely detrimental effects to my plants.

Thank you SO MUCH for that equation! I've been trying to figure out how to do that forever, thank you so so so much. I'll have to write that down somewhere.
I really should start an actual paper/pen logbook instead of keeping most of my info haphazardly on my phone.
You're welcome. I use a spreadsheet on the PC, the google stuff actually, for a log.

Yes, equilibrium is what he uses. There is some more math and testing involved to get it where you want but as long as your plants do ok and you don't want hard water plants you really don't need it, one less thing to worry about messing with.

If you decided to try it I'd suggest PMing him directly.

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