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Old 08-14-2012, 12:28 AM   #31
 
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Well, she laid eggs four times and they hatched, so...

But I was fairly certain. The male I bought four years ago next month, so he is nearing his life expectancy. I came across a tank of this species two years ago, and the fish were a bit larger than one often sees, so I stood in front of the tank for quite a time, observing the fish interactions. I spotted one and figured from the lack of caudal fin extensions that it was likely a female, and the way she was ignored by the males in the tank, who were continually threatening each other, that clinched it. So I brought her home. Within minutes of introducing her to the tank, the male began courting, and that satisfied me that she was female; if not the male who "owns" the tank would have made that very clear.

Within a few days they spawned on a flat rock. The eggs disappeared overnight, probably to the corys, whiptail cat or driftwood cats, all of which are nocturnal. A couple weeks later, another spawn, same place; these hatched but the fry disappeared on the second or third night. Two more spawnings followed, the fry of the fourth lasting several days before they disappeared overnight. The male became les and less tolerant of the female between successive spawnings, and sometimes even as she was guarding the fry. She soon took to hiding as much as she could, but she didn't last.
Wow what a story. That always makes sense, thanks for the details on your observation! It is sad that he is nearing his life expectancy and that she didn't survive.

He looks like such a good male, I wish mine would settle and color up like that. Chesh's are like super dark and almost like steel color. Rams are crazy....

Did you by any chance happen to notice any difference in their vents?

btw Chesh no worries yo its Rams! AHHAAH
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:36 AM   #32
 
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LOL! Thanks for understanding, Term! I've been soaking as much info on Bolivians up as I can find for months now...

Byron, that is a sad story. I wonder if the fact that the broods weren't surviving had anything to do with their eventual break-up. . . my rams seem so much more aware of things than the other fish I keep.

Coloration is a confusion to me, also - thanks for pointing that out, Term! My rams are much darker than most every picture I see of them online or in books. I wonder how much of this might have to do with the black substrate I have? Otherwise, they have the yellow bellies, vibrant, almost fluorescent orange on their tail and topfin. . . the rest of the topfin is also a translucent orange, and their little noses reflect BLUE!

*shrug*

Rams are weird and wonderful. . .

I hope yours do well, Termie! Has the one in with the cories colored up again now that they're done spawning? LOL! Poor little guy. . .
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:56 AM   #33
 
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I wonder if the fact that the broods weren't surviving had anything to do with their eventual break-up. . . my rams seem so much more aware of things than the other fish I keep.
I doubt it. All cichlids in my experience will readily spawn again and remain good parents if the eggs or fry disappear. Assuming the pair are getting along.

These two fish showed signs of trouble from day one. I mentioned that the male displayed at first, but there was also some nudging and dominance being shown by both fish before the first spawn, and between spawnings, which intensified as I mentioned. Interestingly, the female took charge over the first spawn, and had the male cowering in the corner, which quite surprised me, but she was one tough cookie. The second spawning saw the male more active as one would expect, guarding the general area, though not with any degree of force. He turned on her more after that spawn disappeared; and after the third she got angry with him. The best way to assess this is that they were not a bonded pair; the male must select his mate, and this one was simply thrust upon him with no other options, and it didn't work because he didn't want her, and it appeared that she was n ot that fond of him either.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:37 AM   #34
 
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Isn't it weird how cichlids need to choose their own mates? Makes me think there's more to their little fishy brains than we think. Normally animals choose the healthiest partner they can get, but if there's only one choice then they can't really make comparisons, can they?
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:52 PM   #35
 
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Isn't it weird how cichlids need to choose their own mates? Makes me think there's more to their little fishy brains than we think. Normally animals choose the healthiest partner they can get, but if there's only one choice then they can't really make comparisons, can they?
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Yeah its crazy. I'm still trying to figure these little guys out! lol

So guess what I just ordered for my 75! I know MIKA would love this lol:

Zoo Med AquaSun T-5 HO Double Light Linear Fluorescent Hood
48" Length; Fits two 46" T-5 bulbs - 54 watts each


with 2 of these:

Zoo Med T-5 HO Ultra Sun Super Daylight Fluorescent Bulb
46" Length; 54 Watts; 6,500K


I'm gonna need to put more floating plants into that tank. I'm going to take the 2 23W 6500K CFLs and put them over the 29. I'm hopefully going to sell the 29 hood to sang for her 20 gallon so she can use for her betta.

:D Hopefully it will be here my next week Monday.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:56 PM   #36
 
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MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! :)
That was the one I was looking at. . . someday I'll follow in your footsteps. For now, I'm all eyes!
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:45 PM   #37
 
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New pictures and videos! YAY!

I just ordered some plants from Knuggs so hopefully by Saturday I will have some more plants for my fishies!

Things are coming together. The Ram in the 75 is SUPER pale. Watch the video to see. Any ideas on what to do about the Rams? Water is perfect so far.





Excuse the Brazilian Music :D hahahah
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:04 PM   #38
 
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I LOVE the music! Was your mom jammin' out over there?

Dude. . . that ram is SO stressed out. He's breathing really quickly, aside from being pale. I would turn off the lights completely for a day or even two - are you sure the cories aren't bothering him? Poor little thing, it could be that he's just adjusting to so many things at once. This one is the tough one, right? How's the other guy, doing - he's in with the gourami now?

Otherwise, the fish look happy in their new homes, I can see the cories shimmer! And the plants look phenomenal considering all they've all just been through - is that new growth on those tiny Pygmy Chains? I swear they were way smaller when I sent them :) Your neons are getting HUGE!!! I love them!
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I LOVE the music! Was your mom jammin' out over there?

Dude. . . that ram is SO stressed out. He's breathing really quickly, aside from being pale. I would turn off the lights completely for a day or even two - are you sure the cories aren't bothering him? Poor little thing, it could be that he's just adjusting to so many things at once. This one is the tough one, right? How's the other guy, doing - he's in with the gourami now?

Otherwise, the fish look happy in their new homes, I can see the cories shimmer! And the plants look phenomenal considering all they've all just been through - is that new growth on those tiny Pygmy Chains? I swear they were way smaller when I sent them :) Your neons are getting HUGE!!! I love them!
No that was actually ME jamming out there AHHAAH! :D

The lights are so low! and there are a lot of hiding spots and I will be adding more. He is the tough one. The other ram is in the 10G QT tank with the 10 cories.

Those aren't the pygmy chains those are the Dwarf Sag. I have those in the 29 in a pocket growing out. It's hard to see them.

One Neon seems to have this weird white thing on his back. I hope he is alright. I don't know what to do about the Neons though if I plan on getting Discus...
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:09 AM   #40
 
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Leave the ram alone, don't go messing with lights or whatever. He will settle, it takes time.

No fish "likes" being netted and moved to a new environment, but I have noticed over the years that cichlids, for all their toughness, really dislike it. My ram, and my Apistogramma when I had them, were moved a couple times and they were stressed ike this for a few days.

Catfish are similar, my corys do not behave normally for sometimes days after being moved. Loaches too.

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